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I tried my own version of this drill since he provided the robot setting. I came nothing close to his results if the robots are truly comparable. I will share so people can appreciate how hard what he is doing is.
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His technique is actually different and based on more spin avoidance than I am using but still very impressive to be killing heavy chop like that.
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The robot Is pretty inaccurate ..... and hes robot is playing the ball on one point and he is changing position .... but this is connected to your knees i think .....
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His backand reminded me of a player too, now you just point out who I was thinking about haha patrick chila !
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The smack sound is happening because he accelerates during contact and his timing is perfect. The ball definitely sinks in the rubber and compresses the wood also. He is definitely not hitting the ball he is just spinning it really hard. How many times have you heard "smacking" sounds in professiona play? Countless...its because they know how to accelerate and sink the ball into the wood layers
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I was thinking this as well. You need to have a good amount of time to execute such a big stroke. If someone is pressuring you with speed or placing you awkwardly it's much more difficult. Slow shots, pop ups and being away from the table will allow you to add rotation and bigger follow through into the shot. That said, he does pick the right shots to go all out power with - and that's a key point.
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wow, the world is connected, nothing new but cool 
hey guys, i am the amateur player with the crazy backhand here in this thread my name is marc schinkel as you already realised.
i heard from this forum only from the facebook fanpage of tabletennisdaily as they shared a video of me. and wow, that´s really awesome to gain international interest for an amateur player like me, and yes i am an amateur (training once a week only plus few tournaments)
special thanks to anchorschmidt! thanks for your interest in my backhand and all your analysis. i didn´t thought about it that much on my own. my style is more intuitive, i think
something about me: the long break with intense training for about 11 years, where i played only the league games, was not that good. but since the beginning of this year i started to film my games and now although training. the fun at this awesome sport came back like a big hurricane.
before, as i was 17 years old, i played in german regionalliga (one league under 2. bundesliga). but then i had not so much fun with this, don´t really know why... in these years i played oberliga (one league under regionalliga) and now one league under that league, verbandsoberliga.
lets come to your interesting analysis:
- my tennis backswing is way too long, and i really have no time react when the ball comes back. something that i have to change.
- my foot stand (right front, left behind) developes automatically, i have to change that. maybe i am to sure that this final shoot is deadly
- too wide away from the table. yeah, thats a problem i have since beginning. it is easier to stand there because the ball is slower and rotation minimal, so i can spin my own efèt. i can´t get this in my brain... maybe one time
- the blade is very closed when i play backhand and forehand topspin (also on backspin). the only way i can do this, is with a tenergy rubber, i think. the ball pops really high out of it and the second thing is, that the generated arc is enormous. so one can spin the ball very hard when the ball is not high above the net, requires much rotation of the ball (magnus effect)
two weeks earlier i tried to do the backhand topspin a little bit shorter. you can check it in this new trainingsvideo with our roboter (amicus 3000plus) at TTC Finow (ttc-finow.de):
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MfYDEmup1Yk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
And at first, because it´s much fun for me, i tried to play the ball around the net. the hit ration was not that good. next time i try to play this ball from more outside, this was way to hard for me
and at the end my part 2 of Best of Backhand:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HFTQ00tfqwM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
aaah, something additional: i am really a forehand dominated player, you can see it here:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/18wq9wADKpc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
but backhand is much more fun to play
@nextlevel: great try! what robot did you use?
greetings from germany!
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hey guys, i am the amateur player with the crazy backhand here in this thread
my name is marc schinkel as you already realised.i heard from this forum only from the facebook fanpage of tabletennisdaily as they shared a video of me. and wow, that´s really awesome to gain international interest for an amateur player like me, and yes i am an amateur
(training once a week only plus few tournaments)special thanks to anchorschmidt! thanks for your interest in my backhand and all your analysis. i didn´t thought about it that much on my own. my style is more intuitive, i think
something about me: the long break with intense training for about 11 years, where i played only the league games, was not that good. but since the beginning of this year i started to film my games and now although training. the fun at this awesome sport came back like a big hurricane.
before, as i was 17 years old, i played in german regionalliga (one league under 2. bundesliga). but then i had not so much fun with this, don´t really know why... in these years i played oberliga (one league under regionalliga) and now one league under that league, verbandsoberliga.
lets come to your interesting analysis:
- my tennis backswing is way too long, and i really have no time react when the ball comes back. something that i have to change.
- my foot stand (right front, left behind) developes automatically, i have to change that. maybe i am to sure that this final shoot is deadly
- too wide away from the table. yeah, thats a problem i have since beginning. it is easier to stand there because the ball is slower and rotation minimal, so i can spin my own efèt. i can´t get this in my brain... maybe one time
- the blade is very closed when i play backhand and forehand topspin (also on backspin). the only way i can do this, is with a tenergy rubber, i think. the ball pops really high out of it and the second thing is, that the generated arc is enormous. so one can spin the ball very hard when the ball is not high above the net, requires much rotation of the ball (magnus effect)
two weeks earlier i tried to do the backhand topspin a little bit shorter. you can check it in this new trainingsvideo with our roboter (amicus 3000plus) at TTC Finow (ttc-finow.de):
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MfYDEmup1Yk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
And at first, because it´s much fun for me, i tried to play the ball around the net. the hit ration was not that good. next time i try to play this ball from more outside, this was way to hard for me
and at the end my part 2 of Best of Backhand:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HFTQ00tfqwM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
aaah, something additional: i am really a forehand dominated player, you can see it here:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/18wq9wADKpc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
but backhand is much more fun to play
@nextlevel: great try! what robot did you use?
greetings from germany!
Marc
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Hey, Marc. I used Amicus Pro (I am sure it is similar to yours). Your flexibility is a gift, IMHO. I truly believe that if you block/counter more at the table with your backhand, then everything else will come naturally and make sense but without that, making the stroke shorter has less importance.
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He's got a regular tennis one handed backhand. Would not be surprised if he was also a tennis player.
Hi Marc,
Great strokes against underspin. There is another forum member called P-Nut here who posted his video of topspin against robot underspin balls and you'll be happy to hear that your stroke is almost as good as his (sorry - inside forum joke)!
Very effective synergy of natural swing and timing - did you play tennis before?
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wow, the world is connected, nothing new but cool
hey guys, i am the amateur player with the crazy backhand here in this thread
i heard from this forum only from the facebook fanpage of tabletennisdaily as they shared a video of me. and wow, that´s really awesome to gain international interest for an amateur player like me, and yes i am an amateur
special thanks to anchorschmidt! thanks for your interest in my backhand and all your analysis. i didn´t thought about it that much on my own. my style is more intuitive, i think
something about me: the long break with intense training for about 11 years, where i played only the league games, was not that good. but since the beginning of this year i started to film my games and now although training. the fun at this awesome sport came back like a big hurricane.
before, as i was 17 years old, i played in german regionalliga (one league under 2. bundesliga). but then i had not so much fun with this, don´t really know why... in these years i played oberliga (one league under regionalliga) and now one league under that league, verbandsoberliga.
lets come to your interesting analysis:
- my tennis backswing is way too long, and i really have no time react when the ball comes back. something that i have to change.
- my foot stand (right front, left behind) developes automatically, i have to change that. maybe i am to sure that this final shoot is deadly
- too wide away from the table. yeah, thats a problem i have since beginning. it is easier to stand there because the ball is slower and rotation minimal, so i can spin my own efèt. i can´t get this in my brain... maybe one time
- the blade is very closed when i play backhand and forehand topspin (also on backspin). the only way i can do this, is with a tenergy rubber, i think. the ball pops really high out of it and the second thing is, that the generated arc is enormous. so one can spin the ball very hard when the ball is not high above the net, requires much rotation of the ball (magnus effect)
two weeks earlier i tried to do the backhand topspin a little bit shorter. you can check it in this new trainingsvideo with our roboter (amicus 3000plus) at TTC Finow (ttc-finow.de):
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MfYDEmup1Yk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
And at first, because it´s much fun for me, i tried to play the ball around the net. the hit ration was not that good. next time i try to play this ball from more outside, this was way to hard for me
and at the end my part 2 of Best of Backhand:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HFTQ00tfqwM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
aaah, something additional: i am really a forehand dominated player, you can see it here:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/18wq9wADKpc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
but backhand is much more fun to play
@nextlevel: great try! what robot did you use?
greetings from germany!
Marc
Awesome backhand and Forehand. But may I say that there is a lot of anger in your shots. Lol
You hit the ball like you need a hug. Lol (joke) But great shots. You've just convinced me, I was debating on buying a robot. With your videos I am now convinced to buy one.
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ok, i will try it next time, i think it could make sense
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hehe, yeah i played tennis but not constantly, only few times. backhand was most fun at tennis, too. first time i played i didn´t got it to not use my wrist and then my arm and wrist were out of order
after few times training my backhand was surer, harder and more powerful then my forehand...slevin said:
hey slevin, thx, synergy is all. can you share the thread here becauce i couldn´t find P-Nut here or on youtube. i would like to understand that inside forum joke
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hey kevin, thx, too. and yeah, you are right, sometimes i am really a bit angry and then i smash the ball as hard as i can. the curious thing is that without thinking about my shot the ball hits on the other side of table, i mean it´s not a bad hit ratio
yes, please hug me hey thats cool, if you have got the robot we can compare technique and so on easier. and maybe we can make a contest, e.g. ball around net (like in my last video) and then we try to hit as many balls as possible IN A ROW
could get funny.
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Lol. Your alternating Forehand and backhand video let's me know that I've got some work to do before I can take you up on your offer.
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hey slevin, thx, synergy is all. can you share the thread here becauce i couldn´t find P-Nut here or on youtube. i would like to understand that inside forum joke
Sorry for jumping in, but you actually just have to look at this thread:
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10552-TT-Myth-Busters
Or maybe even this here:
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/f...w-vs-low-throw-rubber-(high-low-arc)-thoughts
You could also try this here:
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10772-high-and-low-throw-rubbers
I'm pretty sure, that you soon gonna find out who PNUT is...
But warning: you might need a good cup of tea and a lie down after reading because of a dramatical headache...(anotha Insider)
Oh and before i forget:
Hast du bestimmt schon mal gehört, aber für deine Rückhand bräuchtest du eigentlich nen Waffenschein!
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Not just you - almost the entire website without verified pro player status.
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