Need Advice for a new BH Rubber

I think EL-P is better for blocking. MX-S does not have enough catapult from sponge to be good for blocking.


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You should be able to block with anything once you get used to it. However, I find it harder to block with thin sponges at the table because the thin sponge doesn't absorb much energy so the balls go long.
When blocking you are usually using the opponents energy. If you want you can always punch block for a more aggressive return.

i find fx-p excellent for by ck and counter

If u want to pass and get high level get the tenergy 64 for your back hand and practice it it. Bh loop mid table and back close to table and away when u master it . Also if u thinking back hand only for blocking you are never going to improve. New era of table tennis , loop both side learn it and use it and be lethal or you get kill simple is that.

One gotta be a really tough guy to put a rubber that is as hard as MX-S on BH.

UpSideDownCarl said:

I think EL-P is better for blocking. MX-S does not have enough catapult from sponge to be good for blocking.


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I think that Carl is right. If you want to punch, you would like the rubber to assist in creating the speed. MX-S is for looping hard. Apart from that, MX-S should make your setup heavier.

Try the EL-P, many professionals use it as a T64 substitute. Though it feels a little bit rougher than T64, but it does the trick, with nearly the same results.

But be avare that Waldner Senso Carbon resonates, when you have unpaired rubbers on both sides! Your setup MX-P and EL-P has around 2-4 degrees sponge hardness differece.

qvoliszz said:

But be avare that Waldner Senso Carbon resonates, when you have unpaired rubbers on both sides! Your setup MX-P and EL-P has around 2-4 degrees sponge hardness differece.

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He already has unpaired rubbers. He has MX-P and Rasant Grip. Don't you think he would have noticed this already if it was the case with HIS blade.

One thing you have to realize is that even though blades that are the same model are similar, they are not THE SAME. So if you had that happen with one Waldner Senso Carbon it doesn't mean it will happen with all. But if you tested that on, say, 20, all were different weights, then that would demonstrate a higher probability.

But I have never tried a blade where you NEEDED to have the same rubbers in both sides or the performance would be impaired. Also, usually a blade that has bad vibrations with one rubber will have that with many different rubbers. Although, sometimes there are also rubbers that will dampen the vibrations of a blade.


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Well 20 is a big number to say, I only tried it on 3 WSC, with nearly the same results. (One blade was more tolerant, but it was older, slower like ALL+ and not sealed so kind of sweatty.)

Maybe it was easy to misunderstand my statement/observation with this blade, I suggested choosing a rubber with nearly the same +/- 4 degrees of hardness to the other. Maybe it can be less strict if you use vibration absorbing/dampening rubbers like Tenergys, etc...

For exaple, one of my setups was JP1 with M3. M3 on bh felt way better because of the weight increase of the whole setup. I could feel the other sheet on the other side of my blade. Not to mention that this 3+2 blade is quite spin-elastic with nice feeling. But, when I hit the JP1 with FH I found it hard to engage the sponge, or had to swing harder. The vibrations were stronger. I can say, that I lost my fine touch on my FH, if I flipped my blade the results were the same on the other side.

The overall feeling was restored when the blade was symmetrical M3 or JP1 even with MAXXX 500.

This is what I wanted to highlight, MX-P has cca 47 degrees and EL-P has cca 44 degrees of sponge hardness, weight difference is not so big. So the whole setup will probably just work fine, but I would not recommend FX-P because this "loss of touch" phenomenon.

Personally, I dislike ELP, so I wouldn't suggest that.
For MXS, I think it's too hard for BH, as you're using MXP for FH.

I would suggest, Joola MAXXX 450/500, Stiga airoc M/S, airoc astro M/S, or Donic Bluefire series.

Der_Echte never liked el-p either. I think his current setup is already a weapon of mass destruction if he get a bh rubber he like... if he likes it... Moar power to him.

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