Tibhar Evolution EL-S and FX-S

pleiades99 · Jul 13, 2016

tt89player said:
But from its feel, EL-S is between a medium rubber (EUR 45°, like Vega Japan...) and hard rubbers (EUR 47,5°, like Vega Pro, Donic Bluefire M1....) Without knowing what Tibhar says, I would say approximately EUR 46°

Do you have any info on the weight of EL-S ? How is it compared to the equivalent thickness tenergy 05 or h3 neo. Just wondering which would be better for me 1.9~2.0 or full fat 2.1~2.2?

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tt89player · Jul 13, 2016

pleiades99 said:
Do you have any info on the weight of EL-S ? How is it compared to the equivalent thickness tenergy 05 or h3 neo. Just wondering which would be better for me 1.9~2.0 or full fat 2.1~2.2?

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Average weight of the packages (according to ML from tt-news):

Evolution EL-S

2.1/2.2 normal range 110-111g (up to max. 112, very rare 114/115)

Evolution EL-S

1.9/2.0 normal range 108-109g (up to max. 110)

Evolution EL-S

1.7/1.8 normal range 106-107g (up to max. 108)

Evolution FX-S

2.1/2.2 normal 106-107g

Evolution FX-S

1.9/2.0 normal 104-106g

Evolution FX-S

1.7/1.8 normal 102-104g

My EL-S black 1,9~2,0 had a weight of 109g with package, uncut 71g und on the blade 47g (Stiga blade).

pleiades99 · Jul 13, 2016

Thanks for the info tt89player

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tt89player · Jul 13, 2016

I also testet yesterday the FX-S rubber.

For a medium-soft rubber (like Hexer Duro or Vega Europe DF / approx. EUR 42,5° sponge), it has the most spin, speed and dynamic that I´ve experienced so far. The greatest strength is the slow opening topspin. The amount of Spin is very high. It has more spin and speed than FX-P. Compared to the new EL-S, you can say it is a "light version" of this rubber. In comparison to FX-P I also like the higher arc, so it´s way easier to play topspins.
The topsheet is the same as with EL-S. So it´s grippy but also sensitive to your opponents spin.

Airoc · Jul 13, 2016

tt89player said:
I also testet yesterday the FX-S rubber.

For a medium-soft rubber (like Hexer Duro or Vega Europe DF / approx. EUR 42,5° sponge), it has the most spin, speed and dynamic that I´ve experienced so far. The greatest strength is the slow opening topspin. The amount of Spin is very high. It has more spin and speed than FX-P. Compared to the new EL-S, you can say it is a "light version" of this rubber. In comparison to FX-P I also like the higher arc, so it´s way easier to play topspins.
The topsheet is the same as with EL-S. So it´s grippy but also sensitive to your opponents spin.

Again, I couldn´t disagree with the verdict.

NextLevel · Jul 13, 2016

AndySmith said:
Stiga burned a lot of bridges with Calibra Tour, that's for sure.

I have to say that I'm bouncing off the walls for EL-S and FX-S. The initial reports are gushing with praise.

Maybe a rubber to finally rule them all...

Ardenhouse165 · Jul 13, 2016

So, are we looking at EL-S for FH and FX-S for BH?
Good all round combo maybe?

Reaper · Jul 13, 2016

hi tt89player great reviews,

Now that you've played with all the Evolution range, maybe you can create a chart, rating the rubbers in speed, spin and tackiness?

I'm quite interested in the tackiness deparment since i'm struggling with the disturbing lack of tack of my FX-P (I use eacheng plastic protectors and they stick slighly to my T80 FX but they slide right off the FX-P )

Since i need a little more speed, I'm between getting the EL-P, EL-S or FX-S, but i need to know... which is stickier?

AndySmith · Jul 13, 2016

NextLevel said:
Maybe a rubber to finally rule them all...

Until the next one.

pleiades99 · Jul 13, 2016

NextLevel said:
Maybe a rubber to finally rule them all...

What about this:

tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=150163

I've seen Tom play in the top level of the British league and believe me he knows how to play so if it has his endorsement then it surely needs to be considered!

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NextLevel · Jul 13, 2016

pleiades99 said:
What about this:

tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=150163

I've seen Tom play in the top level of the British league and believe me he knows how to play so if it has his endorsement then it surely needs to be considered!

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He is also almost definitely Stiga-sponsored. I will be testing them but they don't excite me. I was a big time MX-S user and the main issue was the ball arc. This EL-S sounds to me like someone woke up and reworked Baracuda.

AndySmith · Jul 13, 2016

NextLevel said:
He is also almost definitely Stiga-sponsored. I will be testing them but they don't excite me. I was a big time MX-S user and the main issue was the ball arc. This EL-S sounds to me like someone woke up and reworked Baracuda.

This is exactly it - Baracuda for the plastic masses. Paracuda.

Genesis might be great, but it's expensive for a Chinese-made rubber. I'm waiting for more reviews to come in on that one, or a gently used sheet to appear somewhere. Tom is a fantastic player operating at a far higher level than me. I need a few reviews from 65 year old retirees who play on a sunday morning on outdoor tables in the local park against hobos with bottles of cheap cider at stake. For balance.

tt89player · Jul 13, 2016

Reaper said:
hi tt89player great reviews,

Now that you've played with all the Evolution range, maybe you can create a chart, rating the rubbers in speed, spin and tackiness?

I'm quite interested in the tackiness deparment since i'm struggling with the disturbing lack of tack of my FX-P (I use eacheng plastic protectors and they stick slighly to my T80 FX but they slide right off the FX-P )

Since i need a little more speed, I'm between getting the EL-P, EL-S or FX-S, but i need to know... which is stickier?

Thanks!
For this weekend I planned to write an article on my blog about Tibhar Evolution rubbers and there will be a chart about Spin and speed and one with the arcs

I will let you know about it when it´s done.

From what you wrote, I would highly recommend FX-S for you. FX-S has more spin and speed. The surface is also more grippy.
EL-S could be to fast when playing FX-P before.

But I don't know how firm your plastic protectors will stick to FX-S. I personally use the paper cartonage many rubbers like Butterfly have in the package to protect my rubbers.

tt89player · Jul 13, 2016

AndySmith said:
This is exactly it - Baracuda for the plastic masses. Paracuda.

Genesis might be great, but it's expensive for a Chinese-made rubber. I'm waiting for more reviews to come in on that one, or a gently used sheet to appear somewhere. Tom is a fantastic player operating at a far higher level than me. I need a few reviews from 65 year old retirees who play on a sunday morning on outdoor tables in the local park against hobos with bottles of cheap cider at stake. For balance.

No. Plastacuda

NextLevel · Jul 14, 2016

Can anyone buy and ship me a couple of sheets? I will refund the buyer.

slevin · Jul 15, 2016

tt89player said:
But from its feel, EL-S is between a medium rubber (EUR 45°, like Vega Japan...) and hard rubbers (EUR 47,5°, like Vega Pro, Donic Bluefire M1....) Without knowing what Tibhar says, I would say approximately EUR 46°

I find the ESN 45s to be a bit soft for me to play. 46 deg would be perfect.

TT11 said that they hope to have this in August.

AndySmith · Jul 15, 2016

NextLevel said:
Can anyone buy and ship me a couple of sheets? I will refund the buyer.

If it helps, Tibi will have them available from next week.

NextLevel · Jul 15, 2016

AndySmith said:
If it helps, Tibi will have them available from next week.

Has he provided pricing?

AndySmith · Jul 15, 2016

NextLevel said:
Has he provided pricing?

Not yet. I'm sure it will be awesomely priced though. Hopefully it will slot into his current "All Tibhar" rubbers pricing scheme.

SlipSlopSlappy · Jul 16, 2016

Can't wait for FX-S/EL-S reviews!

Meanwhile, can anyone explain why the evolution rubbers come with a sponge hardness range rather than a specific value like all other rubbers?
Does this mean that different batches are likely to harder/softer than each other?

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