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      It helped me to imagine start and end with almost no conscious control in between. Like I snapped between the positions which forces me to use body etc more correctly.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ttmonster View Post
      On a more serious note .. following the shape of the ball increases control but decreases the spin on the forehand side unless you are hitting around the ball which again increases the corkscrew but we are not talking about that shot here, on the backhand side it will be okay because the natural follow through following the arc would not decrease the whip , but on the forehand side its not a natural follow through of the whip and it is bound to decelerate ...
      Hmm, maybe this is what happens when topspins get a bit too much of corkscrew, the path is more around the ball. I have more corkscrew on diagonal topspins. I guess a straighter diagonal path from start to finish position gives a cleaner topspin.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ttmonster View Post
      On a more serious note .. following the shape of the ball increases control but decreases the spin on the forehand side unless you are hitting around the ball which again increases the corkscrew but we are not talking about that shot here, on the backhand side it will be okay because the natural follow through following the arc would not decrease the whip , but on the forehand side its not a natural follow through of the whip and it is bound to decelerate ...
      Here is one good player on the subject. In fact, your joints are all circular so unless you are trying to force your racket to act differently, it will generally follow the shape of the ball.

      https://youtu.be/eJuCMb79oWo

      The issue then becomes whether choice of racket path can accentuate this. Everyone can experiment for themselves. When rebuilding my forehand, I experimented extensively and came to my conclusions. In fact, I think that in some ways, I was held back even after realizing this worked by following form over function. I am tall so my backhand is generally shallow and since I don't bend my knees, my forehand closes to the table was likely going to be too. Timo plays close to the table and often plays shallow strokes. I should really have set some parameters around my game and done the same though I did learn a lot trying to get the form right.
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      Don't get me wrong, I am not against corkscrew .. .it adds a lot of safety to the shot ...however what I have realized is too much of a good thing is not good either .. so you want to be able to conscious about how much and when .... otherwise it will limit your stroke and you will only be hitting one kind of topspin and especially the feeling on the fade goes away ... just my two cents...
      Quote Originally Posted by whocarez View Post
      Hmm, maybe this is what happens when topspins get a bit too much of corkscrew, the path is more around the ball. I have more corkscrew on diagonal topspins. I guess a straighter diagonal path from start to finish position gives a cleaner topspin.
      Lets go Spinny Looping !

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      What do you guys mean with corkscrew spin? Is it the same as a heavy side spin/banana loop?

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      Quote Originally Posted by mart1nandersson View Post
      What do you guys mean with corkscrew spin? Is it the same as a heavy side spin/banana loop?
      No, it's when the ball spins like a drill, or a screw, while going forward
      Always go forward

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      Quote Originally Posted by mart1nandersson View Post
      What do you guys mean with corkscrew spin? Is it the same as a heavy side spin/banana loop?
      It is just a sidespin loop, or a hook shot if you want. The one you get when you hit more on the right side (for a right hander) of the ball. At least the one I had in mind, since you also got a fade.

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      no its not sidespin loop ... refer to this thread for more : https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...-side-top-loop

      Quote Originally Posted by whocarez View Post
      It is just a sidespin loop, or a hook shot if you want. The one you get when you hit more on the right side (for a right hander) of the ball. At least the one I had in mind, since you also got a fade.
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      Break out the top secret Goon Squad diagram of top/under, side, and corkscrew spins...

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      Gunna upload one match in 2 vids vs Scoobie Doo where I lost 3-0. I was not happy with some of my finishing and Scoobie Doo didn't miss a lot and got breaks. That is usually a good combo. (What Sergey did) Sergey wins 98% of the matches.

      I usually lose 0-3 to him, but every few matches I win one game. Every time I play vs him it seems I have improved some things, but he also improved and it is situation normal for who wins. I am normally happy to just be able to compete vs him if I can. His play style is not an easy one for me. His touch is a lot better than it looks on camera.

      Some positives to keep are I played an ever improving short receive percentage, I had higher landing percentage on BH flips, Sergey's first ball didn't kill me all the time and I counter topspin more than before, I create many good chances (but converted not so many of them), I gave Sergey not so many easy chances to initiate offense right away, I rallied with him more than a few months ago, I have a plan to play most of the points when receiving his serve to pressure and get an advantage in a rally (but it is tough to get much by him) I don't give away serves to him anymore (but he is accustomed to most of mine - so all I can really do is limit his options or funnel him into something predictable)…

      Sergey is a very consistent player who doesn't go apeshyt on power every offensive stroke. He would rather make 8 loops than 1 or 2 to win a point.

      He is mid 2100s level player and I am mid 1900s level player. That is 2-2.5 levels of difference. If no one noticed it, Der_Echte is 1.7 meters tall 110kg heavy dude attempting to play an offensive style game.

      Game 1 and 2

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      Gunna really need to get the tripod going and do the vid in landscape, vid way too narrow.

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      Don’t have time to properly comment as I’m just about to go to a tournament.

      But..... I can see one clear advantage for Sergey.......

      He blends in so well with the walls, that I imagine it’s like playing a floating head and arms

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