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    Help me find a pimples rubber for my grandad

    Hi guys,

    my grandad recently turned 80 and has been playing with a dead bat for a long time. I let him play with my old stiga allround classic with a tenergy 05 and stiga calibra lt sound. He loved it just because it was faster and I was just feeding him balls so it was easy for him to get the ball back. I told him that if I start serving to him he wouldn't be able to handle the spin.. which was the case and is the case where he plays at the local club, unless the ball is set up well it's too difficult for him.

    I've told him for ages that he should consider pimples on his backhand (he almost exclusively uses his backhand to counterhit/punch the ball, no forehand other than for the serve). Anyway, as he's now realized he can't return serves with my old bat he's looking to replace one of his rubbers on his bat with pimples.

    Does anyone have any suggestions on what pimples he should be getting?

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    I am not a pimples expert , and as far as I know there are more pimples guys over at ooak . However, from your description any decent short pimples with a sponge should be good .

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    Any cheepo USD 10 valued Chinese OX LP will be a good starting point to get him used to what to expect...Like National Pogo.

    Another one to consider is OX Short Pips, so that side would be old school like dad used to play if he was playing in 1960s. That might be the most immediate comfort zone for him. There is a learning curve to OX LP just as bad as modern inverted rubbers.

    Dr. Evil is a popular OX SP at that price point.

    You could get a sheet of OX LP and a sheet of OX SP, then get an old rec bat, take off rubbers, sand, slap on an old sheet of inverted and one of the OX bats and now dad has TWO bats to mess around with for less than the price of a cheepo modern inverted rubber.

    You will need to learn the tricks of gluing it on. Water based glue, a coat or two and glued while bet is your easiest technique followed by some medium weight press of a few books and shazzzam, you are there.

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    Thanks guys,

    my grandad has never really played seriously just for fun at this club and on cruises etc so he has never developed proper technique, so really I just want something that's simple and will do the job which his previous dead bat sort of did but I reckon pimples will suit his backhand "technique" better than an inverted rubber.

    He almost only plays doubles and can't move around much because of his age, he's not going to learn how to use new rubbers, he will just use the same technique as before. He doesn't really play to win, so as long as he can get more serves back/balls on the table/ hit some winners by being able to bypass spin more easily as this is his weak spot then he'll have more fun.

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    Order some OX SP (or combo of SP, LP) and slap that on Grandad's current blade. He'll feel more comfortable and the rubber will be fresh.

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    I agree with der echte. Dr. Evil short pips are affordable and offer great control. I use them myself. They're also easier to glue then most other OX pips because the base sheet is slightly thicker.

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    If Ur Grand-Dad slaps some SP on BH and on serves, receives softly with a loose wrist, he will get enough back to smile. He can still firm up wrist at impact to lay down the smack on those high balls to BH.
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    I'm not an expert on pimples, I just want to say that your grandad rocks!

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    I would say that there is an another option - not only short pips:
    Why won't you give him a soft slow tacky cheap chinese rubber on the backhand? Some friendship or something like that(not a H3 national ). Why? Because the tackiness helps dealing with spin a lot and when the rubber is tacky and rather slow you can flat hit with it very easy and also do everythin that can be done with a regular rubber. I would try to find some defensive rubbers, for example GD Submarine, Gambler Reflectoid, 729 Geospin Tacky (yes - all of these are old rubbers, but they are all good and your granddad won't loopkill every ball).
    If you want to give him pips (SP I assume) - I would suggest trying Palio Flying Dragon or some other SP that is not very fast and not very hard. Because don't forget - your granddad has played with a normal rubber. Even if it was dead still the feeling of the contact with the ball is very different between SP and an inverted rubber.
    Of course - if you want to give him long pips - it's another story.. But changing to LP is quite demanding and he'll lose some time just to understand how to play with the LP.
    Yep - I forgot. The idea about the chinese rubber or the SP is good only if his blade is not very fast(OFF- and slower, I would suggest ALL, ALL+).

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    Quote Originally Posted by v100ev
    I would say that there is an another option - not only short pips:
    Why won't you give him a soft slow tacky cheap chinese rubber on the backhand? Some friendship or something like that(not a H3 national ). Why? Because the tackiness helps dealing with spin a lot and when the rubber is tacky and rather slow you can flat hit with it very easy and also do everythin that can be done with a regular rubber. I would try to find some defensive rubbers, for example GD Submarine, Gambler Reflectoid, 729 Geospin Tacky (yes - all of these are old rubbers, but they are all good and your granddad won't loopkill every ball).
    If you want to give him pips (SP I assume) - I would suggest trying Palio Flying Dragon or some other SP that is not very fast and not very hard. Because don't forget - your granddad has played with a normal rubber. Even if it was dead still the feeling of the contact with the ball is very different between SP and an inverted rubber.
    Of course - if you want to give him long pips - it's another story.. But changing to LP is quite demanding and he'll lose some time just to understand how to play with the LP.
    Yep - I forgot. The idea about the chinese rubber or the SP is good only if his blade is not very fast(OFF- and slower, I would suggest ALL, ALL+).
    This a good argument.

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    - Waldner, Samsonov, or Saive Type?

    Then Flextra Type Rubber Great. Any other slow rubber good.

    - Dr Neubauer or Solja Type?

    Follow SP, even Slippery LP advice. I can recommend Dr Evil, or even better, Superblock

    - Never Intentionally Block. He push with back spin, Joo, Matsushita, Chtchetinine Style?

    Follow Slow Tacky Type Rubber Advice. Another vote for Tackiness Chop Type Ruber

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    First of all thank you all a ton for the nice responses, I shall let him know about this haha.

    So I think I need to clarify a bit about what kind of level the table tennis that he plays and the people he plays is.
    I've tried to improve his forehand, but he pretty much plays every single shot backhand, he will either push or sort of do a strange counterhit involving his whole arm.. or swipe across the ball. Where he plays only one person really knows how to loop and this same guy is the one who he struggles against with the serves.

    I don't think his block can be in any way compared to those legends haha. He is not really aware of the different names and types of shots.

    His current bat (which is my very old bat) which is now dead has friendship 729 fx on it and I've told him to just get the same rubber.. but once he tried my old stiga allround classic with the tenergy and the calibra sound (I don't know why I thought it was a good idea to let him try this), because it comes off faster and takes less effort for him he's convinced himself that it's better despite me telling him how much more consistent he is with the old dead one..

    so eventually I was just like **** it I want him to have fun, but of course he's annoyed that he can't return a single serve. I have tried to teach him but I don't see him often enough and he only plays once a week and only sometimes against the guy whos (mainly tomahawk) serves he can't handle, so it's a tricky dilemma.

    The blade is allround on both setups btw. Maybe a defensive rubber is the answer. At the moment he wants to only use this other pimples/or whatever setup when he's up against this one guy and then he'll swap back.. which is not a good idea. But again.. he's too stubborn so I just want to do what I can to get him to enjoy himself as much as possible haha.

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    On second thought this might be the perfect paddle for grandpa ...

    https://www.amazon.com/GKI-Kung-Fu-D.../dp/B0110BGCOU

    Its smooth alright but has zero sensitivity for incoming spin and lasts quite a long time , has decent hitting capabilities but not too fast. not sure if you can get it in UK . You can compare its properties to a dead tenergy , which could be another good option for your granddad. You can just slap your dead tenergies on to his paddle , they sure do mess a lot of people up ... and has tremendous control and good hitting power ...

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    May I make a suggestion? Buy / make 2 hardest setups and just play with him at his level. You'd make his day.

    I only get to see my son once/twice a year since he graduated and got married. And I'm grateful doing anything together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjordan2
    May I make a suggestion? Buy / make 2 hardest setups and just play with him at his level. You'd make his day.

    I only get to see my son once/twice a year since he graduated and got married. And I'm grateful doing anything together.
    I do this everytime I go and see him . This is why he likes the old bat I gave him so much because when he plays me I just stand back and lob.. or block his shots and let him hit them hard as much as he wants .

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    @richie, that is great! Time with family (Grandpa) can't be beaten.

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