Defensive inverted rubbers

StuartMarquis · Sep 9, 2016

I'm transitioning away from LP's on my BH. I want to become a bit more attacking with controlled and spinny loops but would still like to be able to chop. Does anyone have any experience with Donic Slice 40 CD or the Tibhar Super Defence 40 as these are both rubbers I'm considering in the 1.2-1.3mm sponge thickness? Or maybe you have another suggestion, of course.

Kaispencer · Sep 9, 2016

Butterfly tackiness Chop/drive work well.

I used to use drive when i was developing in my first couple of years playing

pgpg · Sep 9, 2016

Reflectoid?

StuartMarquis · Sep 9, 2016

Yes, I did look at reflectoid and it's certainly an option. Do you have experience with it?

pgpg · Sep 9, 2016

StuartMarquis said:
Yes, I did look at reflectoid and it's certainly an option. Do you have experience with it?

Not a lot and mostly on FH - chops well, very nice control, can loop with it but it's a very different rubber overall (I have it in 1.5 mm). I want to revisit it soon.

Nuke Skywalker · Sep 9, 2016

I second reflectoid for the BH. It takes the pace off chop similar to an LP and has a lot of control for an inverted rubber. My biggest problem going from LP to inverted rubbers was the sudden increase in speed on the BH...reflectoid takes care of that, so that the speed of chopping feels more balanced between both wings.

People complain about the bottoming out in 1.5, and it does indeed bottom out, but the block is solid, consistent, and predictable. Chops like a dream.

There is a 23-2400 level modern defender that plays reflectoid in my area named Larry abass. He chops other 2300-2400 level loopers balls just fine. (YouTube his name) . you'll also notice he has a STRONG BH attack, and a solid block....all with the 'Toid.

I love having the option to attack on my BH because its far better than my FH.

Because of the absorbing sponge....drop shots are awesome.

Due to the change in pace, there is some deception.

DTopSpirit · Sep 10, 2016

Donic Slice was quite popular over here a few years back, so you'll probably be quite OK with that.

My own favorite chopping rubbers are Dr Neubauer Domination in 1.5mm and 1.7mm (the 1.7 still chops very well, with a little more zip in the attack). Haven't tried them in 1.2mm though.

My favorite 1.2mm rubber was the old Tango Defensive, but that went out of production a while ago.

rokphish · Sep 10, 2016

Super Defense is very popular here

LordPippington · Sep 10, 2016

Spinlord Marder is a good one to consider, if you want something very slow on the backhand. If not, butterfly drive or tackiness chop 1 or 2 is nice. Juic 999 Elite defense is also one to consider. Reflectoid, and the TSP chop rubbers work well for chopping but their offense is limited. Super Defense... I think it's overpriced to be honest. Better off getting reflectoid as the difference is minimal at best and unnoticeable at worst.

StuartMarquis · Sep 10, 2016

I've ordered a sheet of reflectoid (1.5mm) so I'll see how I get on with that. If I don't like it I'll probably try the Slice 40 CD

penholdblocker · Sep 11, 2016

Hi Stuart, do you mind sharing where you bought the reflectoid rubber and its price? I also plan to order a sheet of reflectoid to replace my bh rubber. Thanks.

StuartMarquis said:
I've ordered a sheet of reflectoid (1.5mm) so I'll see how I get on with that. If I don't like it I'll probably try the Slice 40 CD

StuartMarquis · Sep 11, 2016

I've ordered from customtabletennis.co.uk where it's priced at £13.99

Nuke Skywalker · Sep 20, 2016

penholdblocker said:
Hi Stuart, do you mind sharing where you bought the reflectoid rubber and its price? I also plan to order a sheet of reflectoid to replace my bh rubber. Thanks.

Penholdblocker, you are in the US correct? Everyone sells Reflectoid for 14 bucks. The cheapest shipping however is from Zeropong, who is the Gambler distributer in the US. $1/ sheet shipping.

Nuke Skywalker · Sep 20, 2016

Here: http://www.zeropong.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=170

ajtatosmano2 · Sep 20, 2016

If you have a stiff blade, actually I would recommend you to learn chopping with a slow 2.0/max rubber. More spin, and a slow thick sponge will help you deal with the spin.

Nuke Skywalker · Sep 20, 2016

I would disagree with that. IMO- Thinner rubbers typically offer more control for chopping, given that the other variables are the same (pip strucure, length, spin senstivity,elasticity, etc)

I actually prefer chopping with grippy tensors that are 2.0. The "give" on the topsheet helps (which I think you might be speaking about), but the thickness allows the ball to grip too firmly into the sponge making it hard to control balls with sidespin...

BeGo · Sep 20, 2016

dear Mano, Nuke,

well both of You right.

thicker dampening sponge slow the ball more, but affected to spin more, spraying the ball wider.

Sent from my T1X Plus using Tapatalk

penholdblocker · Sep 22, 2016

Nuke, thanks! Yes I am in the US and I also plan to use Zeropong for the Reflectoids. Hopefully they will have a sale soon!

Nuke Skywalker said:
Penholdblocker, you are in the US correct? Everyone sells Reflectoid for 14 bucks. The cheapest shipping however is from Zeropong, who is the Gambler distributer in the US. $1/ sheet shipping.

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