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LOL @ 1.47 he actually puts sideunder spin and not side top. he contacts underneath the ball.
Isn't that the intent?
Service tutorial video by one of the best server in Japan.
Will add the translation if anyone is interested.
1:15 For Topspin serve to look like backspin, the racket needs to start higher than the ball at the back swing. During the downward motion, cock the wrist to lower the racket head then uncock to impart topspin at the contact.
1:27 *Topspin disguised as backspin
1:53 Disguise it as backspin with scooping motion at the follow through.
2:23 *Backspin disguised as backspin
2:30 *Backspin disguised as topspin
2:41 For backspin server to look like topspin, start the racket from below the ball at the back swing. At the contact, cut the ball then have upwards follow through.
3:07 Vertical racket angle at the impact and swing from up to down.
3:13 As little downward follow through as possible to disguise it as topspin.
3:30 *Topspin disguised as topspin
3:52 Tactics: If the opponent swings hard, I tend to use topspin serve more. Vice versa for backspin serve.
4:19 *No spin
4:56 Tilt the racket forward so that the service looks like topspin.
@ttpshot Many many thanks! The video combined with your subtitles is a fantastic tutorial!
I spent today about half an hour working on one of the serves.
Guys, could you tell which spin does it look to you? Under, side or top??
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Here's what I THINK is the moment of contact for the serve at 1:47. It's hard for me to imagine that this racket angle could produce a ball that has any type of underspin on it by the time it reaches the receiver. I think most of the wrist action (scoop)is happening after the ball is already off the racket.
Could you give me your toughts please? I would like to know if I get the deception right
Yes inded he does that in order to disguise the serve as underspin BUT if you look again and again he rushes to begin hiswrist snap and his timing is a little to early so he brushes a little underneat the ball.
His wrist motion is definitely great , dont wanna be a semantics "nazi" but this serve is resulting in sidespin disguised as sideunder, there is nowhere topspin in it. The purpose is to get a push with an open racket if the receiver is fooled and thinks there is mostly underspin whereas it has pure sidespin so the ball will popup for a 3rd ball attack. His intention was to brush to the side of the ball and he got it a little off
I want to try a side with a little bit of underspin in it with a coloured ball so I can see what happens after the 2nd bounce. Maybe my observation has no significance because at some serves lets say "90 % side 10 % under" after the 2nd bounce the ball starts to rotate sideways but the tempo is definitely slower compared to sideunder serve and may also fool the receiver
You are a semantics Nazi. Most sidespin serves appear as top to the receiver.
Could you give me your toughts please? I would like to know if I get the deception right
Alittle help here please, what does he (or you) mean by underspin disguised as underspin and topspin as topspin? Isnt it pointless?
At the end of the movie, you see the other player receiving the serve. It's used after the receiver puts one in the net misreading the topspin. It basically means that the underspin serve in same serving motion.
At the end of the movie, you see the other player receiving the serve. It's used after the receiver puts one in the net misreading the topspin. It basically means that the underspin serve in same serving motion.
I tried his topspin disguised as backspin serve (1:27) today, it's really hard. I can't seem to generate any kind of topspin, it's no spin all the time. He made it look so easy ) Has anyone has tried and successfully copied that serve? Any other tips? Thanks
I've watched like 100 times and still amazed how much topspin he generates with that motion.
Yes inded he does that in order to disguise the serve as underspin BUT if you look again and again he rushes to begin hiswrist snap and his timing is a little to early so he brushes a little underneat the ball.
His wrist motion is definitely great , dont wanna be a semantics "nazi" but this serve is resulting in sidespin disguised as sideunder, there is nowhere topspin in it. The purpose is to get a push with an open racket if the receiver is fooled and thinks there is mostly underspin whereas it has pure sidespin so the ball will popup for a 3rd ball attack. His intention was to brush to the side of the ball and he got it a little off
I want to try a side with a little bit of underspin in it with a coloured ball so I can see what happens after the 2nd bounce. Maybe my observation has no significance because at some serves lets say "90 % side 10 % under" after the 2nd bounce the ball starts to rotate sideways but the tempo is definitely slower compared to side/sidetop serve and may also fool the receiver