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      Tenergy 05 or Bluefire M2

      Hey guys! I currently have Tenergy 05 on my forehand and I think that it is a lil' too fast for me. I can't control the ball well with this rubber. So for now I'm considering to get a Donic Bluefire M2 for my forehand as I think that it may give me more control compared to Tenergy 05. What do you guys think? If you have some other rubber suggestions please do let me know. Thanks!
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      Bluefire m2 is in the same category as tenergy 05. I have a few old sheets of these rubbers lying around and often use them when I test my home made blades. I even think that bluefire m2 is slightly faster, but a bit less sensitive to spin.

      I would advise you to take a step back and go for a more controlled tensor rubber (donic acuda, vega europe,...). Or if you want to save even more money, try palio drunken dragon 40+. i'm currently testing palio drunken dragon 40+ and I really like it so far.

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      barracuda is the answer. roughly the same spin, less speed, better control. actually great control on topspin, really good on serves. high throw angle so blocks aren't great, but if you are more of an offensive player on the forehand side, not a problem.

      plus, it is cheap (and cheaper than bluefire m2) and durable (and more durable than bluefire m2)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Eldrick Lim View Post
      Hey guys! I currently have Tenergy 05 on my forehand and I think that it is a lil' too fast for me. I can't control the ball well with this rubber. So for now I'm considering to get a Donic Bluefire M2 for my forehand as I think that it may give me more control compared to Tenergy 05. What do you guys think? If you have some other rubber suggestions please do let me know. Thanks!
      What blade do you have?

      Rasant grip is semi tacky therefore better at short game. Looping power is pretty great too compared to T05.

      If you want control I suggest you to go for BF JP02 or JP01. Less spin but still very fast.

      If money is not a problem why not try a T05 FX? 1.8mm?

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      Rakza 7 and EL-P for are always great step-down rubbers for me from tenergy

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      M2, EL-S are fitting your needs. Barracuda is great too, but a little different.

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      acuda p2 is good choice also , and i agree with ajtatosmano2 and doraemon ,, barracuda give you the same spin with less speed than tenergy ,, if the high throw angle cause problem to you , go with acuda p2

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      Quote Originally Posted by SFF_lib View Post
      What blade do you have?

      Rasant grip is semi tacky therefore better at short game. Looping power is pretty great too compared to T05.

      If you want control I suggest you to go for BF JP02 or JP01. Less spin but still very fast.

      If money is not a problem why not try a T05 FX? 1.8mm?

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      Rasant grip is not tacky at all. And is very bumpy on short game.

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      Mmmm. Had not noticed bumpy, then again I'm using relatively thin sponge.


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      Quote Originally Posted by yoass View Post
      Mmmm. Had not noticed bumpy, then again I'm using relatively thin sponge.

      Sorry not bumpy, but the sponge nonlinearity makes it difficult to adjust force between very short over the net and then long push to the line.

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      Quote Originally Posted by SFF_lib View Post
      What blade do you have?

      Rasant grip is semi tacky therefore better at short game. Looping power is pretty great too compared to T05.

      If you want control I suggest you to go for BF JP02 or JP01. Less spin but still very fast.

      If money is not a problem why not try a T05 FX? 1.8mm?

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      The blade that I currently use is the Donic Persson Exclusive Off blade. It's a 5 ply all wood blade. I don't think it's a matter about the sponge thickness or hardness, it's a matter about the spring sponge that gives too much catapult effect for me to control. So how does the Bluefire JP series compare to the M series?
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      Quote Originally Posted by laistrogian View Post
      Rakza 7 and EL-P for are always great step-down rubbers for me from tenergy
      I have tried Rakza 7 on the forehand but I think that it's a bit slow for me. Btw, what is the speed of EL-P compared to Tenergy and Bluefire M1? According to what my coach says, Bluefire M1 and M2 is more controllable compared to Tenergy because it has less catapult effect.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Eldrick Lim View Post
      The blade that I currently use is the Donic Persson Exclusive Off blade. It's a 5 ply all wood blade. I don't think it's a matter about the sponge thickness or hardness, it's a matter about the spring sponge that gives too much catapult effect for me to control. So how does the Bluefire JP series compare to the M series?
      bluefire jp has tighter pores in the sponge than m.

      throw angle: m>jp
      speed (slow shots): m>jp
      spin (slow shots): m~=jp
      speed (fast shots): m=jp
      spin (fast shots): m=jp
      control (slow): jp>m
      control (fast): jp>m

      I would say that in general jp has better control than m, and is easier to use than m. jp has a lower arc and more "tame", making it better suited for control, and m is vice versa.

      jp has more of a predictable effect, but m can shoot out the ball or die at strange times.

      and just out of curiosity, why are you using the persson exclusive?

      hope this helps
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      Quote Originally Posted by bobpuls View Post
      Sorry not bumpy, but the sponge nonlinearity makes it difficult to adjust force between very short over the net and then long push to the line.
      True. Then again, I went from T05 to Grip and especially this issue went from risky to solid. Still, no tensor is as reliable there as Sriver or Mark V used to be. The pros seem to manage just fine, though. Not many long pushes there, though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by doraemon View Post
      bluefire jp has tighter pores in the sponge than m.

      throw angle: m>jp
      speed (slow shots): m>jp
      spin (slow shots): m~=jp
      speed (fast shots): m=jp
      spin (fast shots): m=jp
      control (slow): jp>m
      control (fast): jp>m

      I would say that in general jp has better control than m, and is easier to use than m. jp has a lower arc and more "tame", making it better suited for control, and m is vice versa.

      jp has more of a predictable effect, but m can shoot out the ball or die at strange times.

      and just out of curiosity, why are you using the persson exclusive?

      hope this helps
      Ah I see.... I'm using this blade just because my coach recommended it to me. I was sort of a newbie at that point of time so I didn't know what type of blade to buy. So from what you have stated, does it mean that the JP series is more of a control type rubber and can be used in a more versatile way compared to the M series?

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      People specifying a recommendation should mention what thickness they are using or it is comparing apples to oranges.

      In max thickness, M2 would still be a bit too fast. If you are using Tenergy in max, why not go to 1.9?

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      Advice on rubbers

      Rub the topsheet aggressively and wear it down a bit. More control!


      I actually can't use tenergy with great performance for the first couple hours of play. It feels harder when I use a brand new sheet and I need it to soften up a bit
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      Quote Originally Posted by doraemon View Post
      barracuda is the answer. roughly the same spin, less speed, better control. actually great control on topspin, really good on serves. high throw angle so blocks aren't great, but if you are more of an offensive player on the forehand side, not a problem.

      plus, it is cheap (and cheaper than bluefire m2) and durable (and more durable than bluefire m2)
      EL-S is the answer. It's basically something like an upgraded baracuda.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Eldrick Lim View Post
      Ah I see.... I'm using this blade just because my coach recommended it to me. I was sort of a newbie at that point of time so I didn't know what type of blade to buy. So from what you have stated, does it mean that the JP series is more of a control type rubber and can be used in a more versatile way compared to the M series?

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      yes. the slightly reduced spin and speed of jp (compared to m) mean you can do more with the ball without making mistakes,although you lose some sting/oomph in aggressive shots.

      please keep in mind that this is the bluefire rubbers relative to each other, so try not to think that bluefire jp is not spinny or fast, because it still is quite spinny and fast.

      which version/hardness are you looking for?
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      Quote Originally Posted by doraemon View Post
      yes. the slightly reduced spin and speed of jp (compared to m) mean you can do more with the ball without making mistakes,although you lose some sting/oomph in aggressive shots.

      please keep in mind that this is the bluefire rubbers relative to each other, so try not to think that bluefire jp is not spinny or fast, because it still is quite spinny and fast.

      which version/hardness are you looking for?
      I'll take a look at JP01 then. Btw, how does it do in terms of durability?

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