Tips for playing counter hitters/ blockers

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Hi All,

First post so bear with me.

I'm looking for tips and suggestions for playing counter hitters/ blockers that stay close to the table.

I'm an all-round attacking player, aggressive in play. I am finding that when playing these types of players I can get the first attack in but am struggling after their counter-hit or block. I'm just not ready for the next ball.

I have been working on shortening my stroke on the first attack to aid in the recovery time but just wondered if there were any other suggestions/ tips for improving this aspect of my game.

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My tips would be. Allways be aware of the length of the table. If you play hard angles and the blocking player is close to the table is often best to play a short ball in a good angle with allot of spin and if your not playing a good angle just make sure the ball is very long.

Just one example here that doesnt allways fit but it helps me. If i get a lon ball in my BH side from such a blocking play i run around to us my FH from BH side and then i only possible ways of playing the next ball. Either a short Topspin with a really good angle and allot of spin so the blocker has to move and work to get the ball on the table, you dont want to blay in his long BH cause a good active blocker will just push the ball longline and then your screwed if you aren't the fastest player.
Next option which i find works best. A hard Topspin in the arm (in Germany we say in the arm...sound stupid i know) of the blocker, meaning you play a hard ball directly on the turning point so the blocker can usually only react and play a safety ball if he even gets it. Usually doing this more then once will have the result that the blocker, who is normally a more or less lazy type of player will move before u play ur attack to close down this turning point, if u see him moving just attack the newly opened side and allways vary with ur power and spin if u play against strictly passive players power spind and placement are sometimes even more important then against others.
The last way i usually return the long ball on my BH with my FH is a hard in deep forehand. If you play this ball very long or just in a very good angle you usually have allot more time for your next attack. I find most blockers use their backhand more efficient and the ball just simply travels to fast if a good blocker plays the ball with a bit of power directly afther it bounces.
So to avoid beeing blocked out just be more aware of your opponents stance and his capabilities then use placement- ( good angles, lenght and bh fh turning point), spin- and powervariations.
 
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Well buddy, your style of play is close to mine. I always make sure I dictate the placement of the ball from the opponent, left or right. If I spin to the left, the ball most of the time will come back to my right or centre. If I loop to the right, the ball most of the time will come back to my left or centre.

So what I do is I take a quick step back and prepare for the next shot. Always works well for me.
 
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Well buddy, your style of play is close to mine. I always make sure I dictate the placement of the ball from the opponent, left or right. If I spin to the left, the ball most of the time will come back to my right or centre. If I loop to the right, the ball most of the time will come back to my left or centre.

So what I do is I take a quick step back and prepare for the next shot. Always works well for me.

That pretty much cover the aspect of the returned ball.
And yes, taking a step back is very important after the first attack.

Have you tried slow spinny loops ?
 
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That pretty much cover the aspect of the returned ball.
And yes, taking a step back is very important after the first attack.

Have you tried slow spinny loops ?

Yes - I do try and vary the initial attacking shot to keep the opponent guessing, from a quick/drive topspin to a slow spinny loop and a no spin shot as well.
 
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Hey,

My tips would be. Allways be aware of the length of the table. If you play hard angles and the blocking player is close to the table is often best to play a short ball in a good angle with allot of spin and if your not playing a good angle just make sure the ball is very long.

Just one example here that doesnt allways fit but it helps me. If i get a lon ball in my BH side from such a blocking play i run around to us my FH from BH side and then i only possible ways of playing the next ball. Either a short Topspin with a really good angle and allot of spin so the blocker has to move and work to get the ball on the table, you dont want to blay in his long BH cause a good active blocker will just push the ball longline and then your screwed if you aren't the fastest player.
Next option which i find works best. A hard Topspin in the arm (in Germany we say in the arm...sound stupid i know) of the blocker, meaning you play a hard ball directly on the turning point so the blocker can usually only react and play a safety ball if he even gets it. Usually doing this more then once will have the result that the blocker, who is normally a more or less lazy type of player will move before u play ur attack to close down this turning point, if u see him moving just attack the newly opened side and allways vary with ur power and spin if u play against strictly passive players power spind and placement are sometimes even more important then against others.
The last way i usually return the long ball on my BH with my FH is a hard in deep forehand. If you play this ball very long or just in a very good angle you usually have allot more time for your next attack. I find most blockers use their backhand more efficient and the ball just simply travels to fast if a good blocker plays the ball with a bit of power directly afther it bounces.
So to avoid beeing blocked out just be more aware of your opponents stance and his capabilities then use placement- ( good angles, lenght and bh fh turning point), spin- and powervariations.

Do I take it you are quick enough to move round onto the forehand and then still be in position to follow up on the next shot? Clearly I'll need to work on my footwork!!! I like the idea of focusing a return 'at the players arm' I'll try and mix this with the 'step back' mentioned by azian below.
 
A good passive player will just send u around the table if u go back too far. If you really want to fall back ur next stroke must be executed very well or u wil most likely loose the rally against a good player. This might only be my oponion but i think its too risky and kinda oldschool moving back from the table too much. You descibed you had problems with players that block close to the table, in my experience theese players are most likely to be older and more experienced then most younger offensive players (i'm just assuming your one of those :) ). Older players will see that u tend to move back from the table after your first attack and will block very short if ur ball isnt played well enough. I find forwards-backwards movement allot more difficult then moving sideways and usually if i want to dominate a player i wont move further back then 2 steps and if they only play passive 1 step should be enough since u dont need the distance from the table to counterloop them.
Ofcourse you allways got the odd moment where u have to fall back or you will loose the point but still you should concentrate on your own playstyle and not your opponents. A certain amount of adaption is allways needed but if you adapt too much it wont be you who controls the game.
 
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If you are playing a player who just counterhits and blocks then chances are the only weapon they really have against you is placement, so yes as Azlan pointed out you have to play shots which will dictate the return or close off angles on the table to increase the probability of getting the ball where you want it. The best strategy which I use against blockers and counterhitters is to spin the first ball up and try and get as much depth on the table as possible, this way you can also try and force errors with the first block, basically you are aiming to make the ball kick up right in front of them. Unless you are playing a very proficient counterhitter odds are if you load up the first ball with topspin they aren't going to punish you badly and will try and block the ball somewhere on the table, it is usually looking good for a follow up attack and you need to eye up a weak spot on the table and loop with more power and more speed to that point. This is a simple two pronged attack strategy which I frequently use. Playing wide angles and body shots are both great strategies for blockers and counterhitters and also I have found chopping can be particularly useful as they aren't geared to loop heavily.

Those are just a couple of things that might help you out.
 
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One of the most frustrating experiences in table tennis can be playing someone who imitates a wall and sends every ball you hit right back at you! I've been there and done that a few times, so now I'm going to list a few suggestions for you to use when trying to get past these modern day counter-punchers.
Put Yourself in Their Shoes

My first suggestion would be to consider your opponent and how he approaches the match. Is he an aggressive blocker, looking to use his block to out-maneuver you and set up his own attack? Or is he the wall-like defender, content to simply put every ball back on the table and wait for you to beat yourself as you hit harder and harder, and try to angle the ball wider and wider?
Aggressive blockers must be handled with care, since any lapses in concentration on your part will be swiftly punished with lightning counter-attacks. You can't afford to let up against these guys at all - you must stick to your game plan at all costs. Every weak attack or bad push that you make will cost you. I'll talk a bit more about what your plan should be in a little while, so bear with me.

Against passive blockers you have a little more margin for error, since you know that you can push the occasional high ball, or make a less than perfect attack, and they won't punish you for it. The mistake to avoid here is getting sloppy and losing your concentration or form. The passive blocker is still out to win, make no mistake about that. It's just that he would rather wear you down bit by bit, letting you beat your brains out against his defense while he reduces you to a long dribble of sweat (a line I stole from squash great Jonah Barrington).

Passive blockers love nothing more than watching you slowly lose your cool, your temper, and your mind as they stick their bat out and plod the ball back again and again. So remember, you have a little bit more margin for error, not a lot. Use it intelligently and to your advantage, by playing with a little more spin and less pace while you wait for the right ball to put away.

Get Rhythm (Not!)

The typical blocker thrives on matches where he can play at his own rhythm. It's up to you to find out what that rhythm is, and avoid it most of the time. Does he prefer to block against flat, fast drives? Or is he better against the slower, spinnier loops? Does he like to play crosscourt or down the lines? Does he favor his forehand or backhand block? These are the things you need to know in advance, or find out fast when the match starts.
Remember, the pace of the ball, the spin on the ball, the depth and placement of the shot, and the height of the ball can all be varied by you - somewhere in that combination will be a return your opponent is not comfortable against - probably more than one. Your job is to find out which ones they are.

It's OK if your opponent hits a few winners while you are trying to find his weaknesses. It's the price you pay for not scouting him out in advance. Anyway, knowing what he likes helps you to narrow down what he doesn't like. Once you find out what that is make sure you give him lots of it.

Patience, Young Grasshopper

Most people would advise you to be patient against blockers. This is not bad advice, but it is important to add a proviso - don't try to beat the blocker at his own game. Just like the old adage goes "Don't try to argue with a fool - they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience", don't suddenly try to out-block the blocker - you'll be playing the game that they have been practicing for years.
In this case, patience means waiting for the right ball to attack with power, and controlling your aggression until it comes along. Against aggressive blockers you need to use whatever return they don't like often, while you wait for that set up ball to come along. Whether it's slow, heavy spin deep on the table, or light high topspins to the wings, grit your teeth and keep using it until you get the return that you know you can put away with power. Against passive blockers you have a little bit more leeway, and can push a bit higher, and take less risks with your normal attack, since you know that they aren't likely to counter-attack you too much.

Some folks take the opposite approach, trying to blast through a blocker using their hardest attacks all the time. This is known as the 'I'm going to play my game regardless' approach, and can sometimes even be seen at world class level (Kim Taek Soo - I'm talking to you!) While this is a tactic, this will usually only work if your level of attacking is well above your opponent's level of blocking. And if that is the case, you could probably beat him half a dozen different ways anyway. It's when you come up against an opponent near your level that you can't just hit through that good tactics become important.

One Whack or Two?

Hand in hand with the idea of patience is the question of what to do when your power attack comes back, as it often will do against a good blocker. Do you go back to waiting mode, and look for another attack later? Or do you keep hitting it hard until you or the opponent win the point?
I'd recommend keeping an open mind on this question - it really depends on the quality of the return, and whether you are in good position to attack a second time. Look for the second strong attack, and if you think you can make it, have a go. If it's too tough, go back to your standard attack and wait for another chance. Then, as the match goes on, keep track of whether the second attack is working for you - if you are winning most of them, keep on hitting. If you are making too many mistakes, stick to hitting the easy put aways and go to your standard attack for the rest.

Don't Be Re-served!

Against a good blocker, some players seem to give up on serving and returning serve at their best, thinking that it's a waste of time, since the blocker is going to be able to handle the third ball attack, and is not likely to attack with their own third ball. Don't be one of these players. Intelligent use of your own serves can help you get your chance to hit the ball hard that much faster, which helps cut down the chances of you making a mistake while waiting to get the setup. And good service returns keeps the blocker under pressure, stopping him from getting any easy attacks for cheap points. So pay attention right from the start.
Forehand - No - Backhand - No - Darn!

Use that area of indecision that your opponent has, where he must decide to hit with his forehand or backhand side. (For penholders, try to catch them where the tip of the bat is straight down - it's pretty hard to block over a spinny ball at that point). Every opponent will have a slightly different area where he tends to get caught deciding between backhand and forehand - it's up to you to find it and exploit it.
Some weaker opponents also tend to keep the bat waiting on the same side as their last shot (i.e. keep the bat ready for a backhand after hitting a backhand). Against these types of players it's often a good idea to give a couple of attacks to one side, before hitting into the area of indecision. They'll generally stay on that side and move to take it with the same shot. You can them hit to the area of indecision a couple of times, moving them further over to one side of the table, before hitting a ball into the gap they have left behind. The beauty of this strategy is that you don't even have to hit the final ball hard, since they have left you a wide open gap to aim at. Lovely!

The Temptations

No, not the band, but your strategy of giving the passive blocker the opportunity to attack now and then. Passive blockers usually lack a good attack, and can be weak against a well executed counter-attack, since they aren't used to these sort of rallies. So don't be afraid to let your passive blocker opponent make the occasional attack, just make sure that you make your shot tempting enough to entice him to hit, but with enough spin or placement to make it hard to put away. And be ready for the attack of course!
The Usual Suspects

These are the usual tips that most people would give you when playing against blockers. Again, there is usually some value in them, but every now and again you'll come across opponents who won't be affected. A handful of tips can't replace the intelligent use of your brain in a match, so be prepared to discard those tips that aren't working.
Loop both short and deep, and with good angles. Many blockers prefer to plant their feet, and are weak when blocking on the move. Also, many blockers stand very close to the table, and so can be weak against very deep balls.
Use high spinny loops to avoid giving your opponent any pace to work off.
Loop to the middle to avoid giving your opponent the opportunity to use wide angles against you.
Chop beats block - so use more pushes in your game before choosing a ball to attack hard.
If you have a good backhand attack, use this to open your attacks more often. Backhand opens can be performed more quickly than forehands, and can be harder to determine which direction they are going.

Conclusion

Playing a good blocker can be a real struggle and a battle to keep your composure. Hopefully some of the suggestions above can help those of you who are struggling to get past these supremos of close to the table play. Best of luck!

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Courtesy of Gregg Letts from tabletennis.about.com
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UPDATE:

Hi all,

Just a quick update - played last night against an aggressive counter-hitter/ blocker and won!

Have really thought about my approach - I went with the following game plan.

1. Stick with my 3rd ball attack BUT
2. Look to loop strong and spinny deep into the arm (so a decision had to be made by my opponent as to whether to play a forehand or backhand) and hopefully either win the point with outright or create an opening for a kill shot
3. Vary the intensity of the loop (throw in the odd little/ no spin higher ball but still deep to the table
4. For every three or four loops 'at my opponent' go for an angled shot

I started with the above and those did work BUT having watched them play my two team mates and wipe the floor with them I noticed something else and adapted my game as I played.

1. They typically served long (I assume so that the game would be opened up quickly and they can start blocking/ counter hitting asap). My team mates were rolling/ looping the serve and loosing many points straight off - I took a different approach. I chopped the return, deep to the backhand or into the body - IT WORKED WONDERS, I actually won quite a few points with deep underspin and typically only received a push back to which I could open up with the deep loops. I did get punished if the ball was too short or high though, so I had to concentrate but, hey that's fair enough!

2. Now, I can loop on both wings BUT I found out very quickly that my backhand loop was way more effective, my opponent had trouble not only with the spin but also the placement - I had particular success with looping from the backhand down the line, although I had to be careful not to get blocked to the forehand if the loop wasn't deep/ good enough.

3. Another effective shot was a short, fast, wristy forehand loop drive, again at the body. I used this typically after I had chopped my opponents serve - again, it was quick and didn't give my opponent time to react.

All in all a very satisfying night of table tennis. Blockers/ counter hitters are my worst nightmare but with some sound advice on here and complete focus on my part - I managed to not only win but win three straight!
 
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Good to hear your sucess. Another aspect to try out is making some spinny, slower balls land very deep and strongly attack the next return, which will likey be weak. Opening with speed when the blocker is ready will minimize your ability to be ready to continue the attack. Another idea, maybe said already is to make a spinny loop that lands barely over the net. Those spinny loops are VERY hard to block off the bounce and also more difficult to counter. Every opponent is not a clone robot, so of course you discover what works and not, like you mentioned in your last post.
 
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