Politics and Nepotism in Sports : Impact on CNT and table tennis teams and players

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Creating this thread to ensure we stay on topic on the CNT closed training thread .. I honestly think a lot of people want to discuss this have put forward very valueable points and it certainly deserves its own thread ... hope fellow TTD members want to chime in here ..
 
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Actually beyond that, what amazes me is the size of the entire CNT operation, which can be seen on that other thread. There is the exercise physiologist from Poland. Massage therapists galore including a specialist from Croatia. Researchers who sit in on mandatory video review sessions of each potential foreign opponent, breaking down strengths and weaknesses and discussing tactics by committee. One official coach per player. Meetings with reports from the entire table tennis bureaucracy. 2 vs 1 drills against all sorts of CNT practice partners (and who knows how many provincial players who would salivate at the thought of being part of that). Noise of fan-girls piped in (and men and women at their own separate magnificent facilities). Players of course are paid continually throughout this (and have been since they were taken to ping pong jail at the age of 10 or 11). The politics of how one gets to be part of that is not what interests me. It is true in all human endeavors at all places and times that having the right connections can help you in life, and intensive competent training of young children produces better results than starting as a teenager.

It is simply the size of the operation, and the number of large operations that feed into it. Even provincial and city teams in China have more resources devoted to TT than any number of countries that have players in the world top 100. It just amazes me.

So when the e.g. Portuguese player is up against a CNT player (for example), I will be cheering for Portugal. That person has to play professionally where he can, generally not in his own country, supporting himself as best as he can in leagues and tournaments, designing his own training and in large measure paying for it. This is nothing personal against CNT players. They are amazing. Just me cheering for the underdog.
 
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@Baal , are you really telling me that I should create another thread about the size of the entire CNT operation :p .. just kidding ... there is not questioning that the amount of resources they put into their players is lopsided when you compare it to any other country in the world , with stuff Tony has been sharing may be Japan comes close , but then who ? may be South Korea and Germany come distant third or fourth ... who knows about North Korea though , they do seem to surprise people in international tournaments , so I believe they do have some secret intercontinental ballistic training program of some sorts ...

one thing to remember that this kind of investment in one particular sports is very rare . I know in China table tennis has a big economy around it , but govt. funding does help .... historically communist and socialist countries seem to be investing in sports in a big way with eyes to secure olympics medals .... is it just to prove to the world that all is alive and well in the world and they can be global leaders or why else ?

regarding supporting players , I definitely end up supporting the underdog ... but like I was replying to Carl on the other thread then there are these generational players who capture your imagination .. and you end up supporting them no matter if they are underdogs or favorites ... even when you can pretty much predict they are going to win or they are going to lose the upcoming match ... I guess thats the difference between watching two players play and supporting one and watching your idol play when you are just a "fan"

Actually beyond that, what amazes me is the size of the entire CNT operation, which can be seen on that other thread. There is the exercise physiologist from Poland. Massage therapists galore including a specialist from Croatia. Researchers who sit in on mandatory video review sessions of each potential foreign opponent, breaking down strengths and weaknesses and discussing tactics by committee. One official coach per player. Meetings with reports from the entire table tennis bureaucracy. 2 vs 1 drills against all sorts of CNT practice partners (and who knows how many provincial players who would salivate at the thought of being part of that). Noise of fan-girls piped in (and men and women at their own separate magnificent facilities). Players of course are paid continually throughout this (and have been since they were taken to ping pong jail at the age of 10 or 11). The politics of how one gets to be part of that is not what interests me. It is true in all human endeavors at all places and times that having the right connections can help you in life, and intensive competent training of young children produces better results than starting as a teenager.

It is simply the size of the operation, and the number of large operations that feed into it. Even provincial and city teams in China have more resources devoted to TT than any number of countries that have players in the world top 100. It just amazes me.

So when the e.g. Portuguese player is up against a CNT player (for example), I will be cheering for Portugal. That person has to play professionally where he can, generally not in his own country, supporting himself as best as he can in leagues and tournaments, designing his own training and in large measure paying for it. This is nothing personal against CNT players. They are amazing. Just me cheering for the underdog.
 
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To be honest, this level of support and preparation does not bother me - I suspect New England Patriots, San Antonio Spurs, Chelsea, New York Yankees etc. have the same approach if not even more involved. That's basically how professional sports are run: farm system, training facilities, sports medicine, you name it. TT in the US and pretty much elsewhere is not at that level, much to our dismay.

And yes, we do like to root for underdogs - Iceland soccer team in the last Euro Championship is the last example I remember.
 
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I imagine there must be huge pressure on CNT staff to produce results, given the size of their budget and resources. And also the players, themselves. When the Chinese women lost in 1991, to a combined North and South Korean team in the World Championships, I heard there was a little fallout, for example. That entire story, itself, is pure politics. And that movie about it is still the best table tennis film ever made, next to Balls of Fury, of course.
 
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