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      Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post

      Tom is back to using Genesis he is playing in the London Grandprix this weekend. Tom is a sponsored STIGA player and uses Genesis as his go to rubber. He loves it.
      Thanks Dan. I see.

      Good luck to Tom. Hope he gets real far.

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      Thx Dan and Tom
      as always an awesome review *thumbs up*
      I think I will also try the Rozena for my BH, since the control was mentioned.

      For your next review, I would be really looking forward to the Nittaku Fastarc-G1 , cause it's one of the most popular rubber in the japanese market.

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      looks great

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      After this week i spook with one player who plays Rozena first time on competition level and she was really disappointed , cause of higher humidity in the hall the Rozena lost most of its grip .. Have you guys more experience like this or it was one of thousandth ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by bobpuls View Post
      After this week i spook with one player who plays Rozena first time on competition level and she was really disappointed , cause of higher humidity in the hall the Rozena lost most of its grip .. Have you guys more experience like this or it was one of thousandth ?
      Yes, Rozena can't play in high humidity, wrote about this a while ago: https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/f...l=1#post190713

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      I haven't used it in high humidity, but have first-hand experience of this with T05. Reading this, Rozena suffers even more. We need more data!

      Manufacturers probably have sound measurement methods and tons of data about their own, and probably of competitor's stuff as well; wouldn't it be great if that data were opened up. Perhaps this assumption of a systematic, sound engineering-approach if equipment development is wrong; and then having method framework and tool chain for measurements would be no less desirable, to the contrary.
      is laudable, in that respect. IMNSHO.

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      well about what kind of humidity are you speaking here? I think in Germany I'd be pretty safe, if you live in Asia however...

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      i`m speaking about Humidity on some days in Slovakia . i have something like moisture film also on tg3-60 on this days ...
      but lets say it is going about 75% and more

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      They won't , these companies regularly steal stuff from each other's research and I have even heard one of my friends who used to work for a small rubber company that one of the bigger companies basically shut them down when they figured that they have something promising coming up ... if they share all the equipment testing results or so , people who are knowledgeable will put 2 and 2 together and figure out what they are upto ... its kind of like the open source vs proprietary argument in software engineering and butterfly is the "Apple" that makes Macs and eyePhones , some flavours of Android comes close but you have to be a table tennis geek to optimize it to work for you as best as a sheet of tenergy ...

      but I was curious what does IMNSHO mean , In my not so honest opinion ? Just kidding .. no offense
      Quote Originally Posted by yoass View Post
      I haven't used it in high humidity, but have first-hand experience of this with T05. Reading this, Rozena suffers even more. We need more data!

      Manufacturers probably have sound measurement methods and tons of data about their own, and probably of competitor's stuff as well; wouldn't it be great if that data were opened up. Perhaps this assumption of a systematic, sound engineering-approach if equipment development is wrong; and then having method framework and tool chain for measurements would be no less desirable, to the contrary.
      is laudable, in that respect. IMNSHO.
      Lets go Spinny Looping !

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      Humble. As in, not so.

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      Humidity affects pretty much all the rubbers. If you used to play in a that humid hall, then you can look for a rubber which is better in such environment, however if you rarely have problems with moisture, then don't care about that aspect of a rubber.

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      Yesterday I glued Rozena on Jike Szlc! I liked it very much, although I did not make it through, I recommend! They write that the rubbers does not like the moisture-the room can be said to be wet, but the clutch is not gone, maybe while the new ones ... The pair together delivered approximately 5500 roubles, there are photos In my insta remontitochka

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      So they create a rubber for amateurs who can't handle tenergy and the 2nd best player in the world ends up using it.
      Proof that not even butterfly knows what they are doing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by iamme View Post
      So they create a rubber for amateurs who can't handle tenergy and the 2nd best player in the world ends up using it.
      Proof that not even butterfly knows what they are doing.
      Yeah, Zhu Yuling using Rozena shocked me too. But don't forget that women tend to have longer rallies and better stability might worth more than the extra spin. I don't think we will see any men using it in the top 100.

      Another thing to consider is the reaction to boosters. I believe none of the forum members tried to boost it and it might be way better with tuning. For example Sriver is a mediocre rubber at best, but with speed-glue it was amazing (I've never tried, but everyone says so)
      And Wang Hao, who had a very-very good RPB, used Sriver topsheet with Bryce sponge.
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      Quote Originally Posted by iamme View Post
      So they create a rubber for amateurs who can't handle tenergy and the 2nd best player in the world ends up using it.
      Proof that not even butterfly knows what they are doing.
      You sure about that? Rozena isn't the only pink sponge rubber, there's also that new Gewo Hype KR Pro, see https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/f...-Ryu-Seung-Min which I would consider more plausible, prima facie.

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      Here you go mate:
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      Hi, do you think the rozena is suitable as modern defence fh rubber? Currently using tibhar el-p

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hanan Joseph View Post
      Hi, do you think the rozena is suitable as modern defence fh rubber? Currently using tibhar el-p
      It depends on if you want to chop with FH or not. If yes, don't buy Rozena. Rozena is bouncy and bouncy rubbers are bad for chopping. If you want just loop and lob with FH then you can go for Rozena. However I think there are better options for modern defence. But I don't know your level, how much do you loop, how much do you lob and if you are playing closer or further to the table. Maybe you could name a player with similar style and tell us what blade do you use and what is your level (which league,rating points, years of experience etc) .

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      Quote Originally Posted by ajtatosmano2 View Post
      It depends on if you want to chop with FH or not. If yes, don't buy Rozena. Rozena is bouncy and bouncy rubbers are bad for chopping. If you want just loop and lob with FH then you can go for Rozena. However I think there are better options for modern defence. But I don't know your level, how much do you loop, how much do you lob and if you are playing closer or further to the table. Maybe you could name a player with similar style and tell us what blade do you use and what is your level (which league,rating points, years of experience etc) .
      I'm not very good player. I return playing after almost 15 years.
      Long long time ago I used butterfly renova.
      I play with Galaxy 980 def, tibhar el+p, friendship 755 1.0 mm
      I would say my style is 70% attack from the FH and 30% long distance chop.
      What modren defence​ FH rubbers you recommend?
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      Good review ... Short game is easy to play with this rubber.
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