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Tropical: The match before that one she beat someone rated over 200 points higher than her, a chinese provincial male player. I linked the video in a previous comment I made. She was 14 at the time also...
Per game?For men and women to play against each other in the same tournament, what should the standard handicap be? My guess is 5.
I mean their rating, like I have said. 1900 TTR against each other, woman won't stand a chance.
Even women playing in Bundesliga with a TTR of 2200 can struggle against men with a TTR below 2000. Maybe the difference between men and women gets bigger the higher the level gets as table tennis gets more physical there. But even in amateur classes you can't compare the two sexes. If there are tournaments with both in one draw the women usually will participate in the class with men one or two leagues below them. And they still can't win.
I am from Baden-Württemberg, women are now allowed to participate in men teams additionally (still in women teams as well). They are seeded according to their TTR. Not a single woman from my club has won a game so far, they lost against men with 100 TTR points less and even worse.
I was talking about men and women with equal ratings against each other. Not woman vs man with a few hundred points less. It only makes sense to compare the best female player to one of the best male players and not to a random pips player. Moreover, rumors say that the male players there had to imitate styles of female players to prepare the female CNT players for OG.
Comparing male and female players with equal rating does not make sense at all!
I mean their rating, like I have said. 1900 TTR against each other, woman won't stand a chance.
Even women playing in Bundesliga with a TTR of 2200 can struggle against men with a TTR below 2000. Maybe the difference between men and women gets bigger the higher the level gets as table tennis gets more physical there. But even in amateur classes you can't compare the two sexes. If there are tournaments with both in one draw the women usually will participate in the class with men one or two leagues below them. And they still can't win.
I am from Baden-Württemberg, women are now allowed to participate in men teams additionally (still in women teams as well). They are seeded according to their TTR. Not a single woman from my club has won a game so far, they lost against men with 100 TTR points less and even worse.
I was talking about men and women with equal ratings against each other. Not woman vs man with a few hundred points less. It only makes sense to compare the best female player to one of the best male players and not to a random pips player. Moreover, rumors say that the male players there had to imitate styles of female players to prepare the female CNT players for OG.
Comparing male and female players with equal rating does not make sense at all!
I would imagine that at the highest level, top 20 in the world men vs women it wouldn't even be close. However someone like Ding Ning i'm sure would fancy her chances against men all the way up to top 100. I don't think that there are many other sports were this would be the case.
I don't understand where this is coming from. There are ways of rating players based on results. Let's stop the hypotheticals and rate the results. I have seen very high level men get shocked by the kinds of balls that women can block off the bounce. I don't doubt that the top men can beat top women but individual matchups, who knows? And even the top men get upsets against people outside the top 10 as well.
Just interesting speculation. Can't rate results we don't have. But pro men and women probably have a good idea about how well a player like Ding Ning could compete on the men's tour. It wouldn't shock me if the answer was anywhere from 'not at all' to 'she could pull off a few upsets until they figured out her game' to 'top 100.' I'd be a little surprised if it was the latter, but table tennis is one of the few sports where it doesn't seem like pure fantasy to imagine a woman in the top 100 overall.
I think Carl is wrong about tennis. Put a top college player against Serena Williams or another top 5 woman and I think she would mop the court with him. If you re-created pro pressure with a big crowd and money then it could be double bagels.
Comparing Ding Ning with a random top 100 male player hundreds of points below her just approves my point.
To what I have said earlier, it is true that in South Germany there were not many possibilities for women to play ranked matches against men, therefore their ratings might not be really comparable. But everytime there was a possibility and I could watch that (and I am participating in a lot of tournaments) the result was the same. Additionally, we have a lot of pretty good girls in our club. If you wanted to put them in men's league you had to substract 100-200 points and then seed them accordingly to make it fair.
This has nothing to do with being sexist or anything. It is a fact that men vs women comparisons don't make sense in a lot of sports. Establishing a handicap therefore is a bad and needless idea in my opinion.