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      November World Rankings 2017

      The ITTF has published the new world rankings! These were released on November, 1st 2017 and it’s caused some major changes.

      The new ranking list doesn't include players that have been inactive in ITTF competition for a period of 4 months+.


      Germany's Dimitrij Ovtcharov reaches career high world ranking of 3!



      Dimitrij Ovtcahrov, World #3 in November 2017 - Photo by: ITTF Flickr


      Notable changes

      Men
      03) 4 Dimitrij Ovtcharov
      08) 13 Simon Gauzy
      43) 51 Benedikt Duda

      Women
      01) 2 Zhu Yuling
      07) 10 Cheng I-Ching
      21) 32 Chen Szu-Yu

      Players inactive over last 4 months
      Xu Xin
      Zhang Jike
      Jeong Youngsik
      Ding Ning
      Wu Yang


      Men's World Rankings

      The new ranking changes have created huge changes for both the men’s and women’s world ranking lists. Most noticeably in the men’s the previous month’s World number 3 Xu Xin and world number 6 Zhang Jike are now off the list. This puts Dimitrij Ovtcharov at number 3, Timo Boll at number 4, Koki Niwa at number 5 and Simon Gauzy flies into the world top 10 with an incredible career high world ranking of 8! Full rankings below...

      Full rankings below:

      01) 1 Ma Long
      02) 2 Fan Zhendong
      03) 4 Dimitrij Ovtcharov
      04) 5 Timo Boll
      05) 8 Koki Niwa
      06) 7 Jun Mizutani
      07) 9 Lin Gaoyuan
      08) 13 Simon Gauzy
      09) 11 Kenta Matsudaira
      10) 12 Fang Bo
      11) 15 Chuang Chih Yuan
      12) 10 Wong Chun Ting
      13) 16 Lee Sangsu
      14) 17 Yan An
      15) 14 Vladimir Samsonov
      16) 18 Tomokazu Harimoto
      17) 19 Marcos Freitas
      18) 20 Hugu Calderano
      19) 22 Masaki Yoshida
      20) 21 OMar Assar
      21) 24 Ruwen Filus
      21) 24 Yuya Oshima
      23) 41 Alexander Shibaev
      24) 28 Mattias Karlsson
      25) 30 Maharu Yoshimura
      26) 26 Emmanuel Lebesson
      27) 23 Kristian Karlsson
      27) 36 Jeong Sangeun
      27) 36 Quadri Aruna
      30) 29 Bastian Steger
      31) 35 Liang Jingkun
      32) 32 Panagiotis Gionis
      33) 34 Kou Lei
      34) 38 Jin Ueda
      35) 33 Chen Chien-An
      36) 31 Stefan Fegerl
      37) 42 Yuto Muramatsu
      38) 38 Jonathan Groth
      39) 40 Tiago Apolonia
      40) 43 Ricardo Walther


      Women's World Rankings

      In the Women’s ranking the current Olympic Champion, Ding Ning is off the list and her place is taken by last weekend’s 2017 World Cup winner Zhu Yuling! What a week it’s been for the Chinese 22-year-old.Full rankings below:

      01) 2 Zhu Yuling
      02) 3 Chen Meng
      03) 4 Liu Shiwe
      04) 5 Kasumi Ishikawa
      05) 6 Miu Hirano
      06) 7 Mima Ito
      07) 10 Cheng I-Ching
      08) 8 Feng Tianwei
      09) 9 Sun Yingsha
      10) 11 Wang Manyu
      11) 12 Han Ying
      12) 13 Hitomi Sato
      13) 14 Honoka Hashimoto
      14) 15 Hina Hayata
      15) 16 Jeon Jihee
      16) 20 Li Jie
      17) 21 Miyu Kato
      18) 19 Doo Hoi Kem
      19) 17 Shan Xiaona
      20) 27 Suh Hyowon
      21) 32 Chen Szu-Yu
      22) 22 Gu Yuting
      23) 23 Kim Song I
      24) 24 Sakura Mori
      25) 25 Zeng Jian
      26) 26 Elizabeta Samara
      27) 42 Lee Ho Ching
      28) 29 Yui Hamamoto
      29) 32 Georgina Pota
      30) 38 Saki Shibata
      31) 28 Melek Hu
      32) 30 Haeun Yang
      33) 36 Chen Xingtong
      34) 35 Liu Jia
      35) 31 Petrissa Solja
      36) 34 Fu Yu
      37) 40 Mengyu Yu
      37) 43 Li Qian
      39) 37 Sofia Polcanova
      40) 44 Matilda Ekholm


      You can view the full World Rankings here.

      What does everyone think about the ranking system? The new system will come in place soon... Will this encourage players to remain more active on the circuit?

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      Ovtcharov lacks big results againt chinese top players before he can legitimate call himself #3 in the world. I expect a lot from him at german open in 10 days

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      Quote Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
      Ovtcharov lacks big results againt chinese top players before he can legitimate call himself #3 in the world. I expect a lot from him at german open in 10 days
      Rubbish.
      He is ranked number 3 according to the criteria used by the ITTF. If we follow your line of argument, we can argue over the ranking of any player in any league.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tinykin View Post
      Rubbish.
      He is ranked number 3 according to the criteria used by the ITTF. If we follow your line of argument, we can argue over the ranking of any player in any league.
      I´m pretty sure this wasn´t meant literally. I think Garrison was basically saying that he was hoping for good results of Dima next weekend and a victory over one of the top chinese would "legitimate" his new ranking... of course i could be wrong too
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      wow, no xu xin

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      Thanks so much for keeping me/us informed!
      My Koki Niwa fanboyism is liking this.. don't even try to reason with me.


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      So, if the one who has been taken out of the list, do they still have same ranking points of the last ranking list?

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      And what I am saying is that his ranking is legitimate. He has met all the criteria.
      We all know that the if all the Chinese CNT players could play internationally, the rankings would look very different.
      But this BS is said every time a non-Chinese player achieves a high ranking. You should see the absolute racist comments that flowed when Timo Boll was number one.
      I'm just tired of the BS sometimes.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tinykin View Post
      And what I am saying is that his ranking is legitimate. He has met all the criteria.
      We all know that the if all the Chinese CNT players could play internationally, the rankings would look very different.
      But this BS is said every time a non-Chinese player achieves a high ranking. You should see the absolute racist comments that flowed when Timo Boll was number one.
      I'm just tired of the BS sometimes.
      I just think that some people treat ranking as unfair, of course Dima was a bit lucky after Timo took down to great chinese and was too tired to face Dima in the final. So someone could say that Dima had better half. In my opinion each sport has the same problem, we cannot organize event that every player meets every other to see who is the best. There will be always some lineup when someone say it is unfair - but this is the sport and we cannot meet everybody expectations.
      I really do not like complicated ranking system, when you get some bonus points and then minus points. It is very enough to cancel all points by the end of march and you just gain the points by playing tournaments. I understand that china and japan have at leat 10 great players but nobody forbid them to send all players to world tour. Probably this is just the case of money why the do not send all guns.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sali View Post
      […] we cannot organize event that every player meets every other to see who is the best.
      Even if we could do that, it would still not be fair. But I guess that's your point, and I subscribe to it. There's an element of randomness, unavoidably, with the tournament schemes tourning out lucky — or not. Anybody that's ever known the true meaning of having an ‘angst gegner’ will testify to the luck of that feared opponent being taken out in another branch of the scheme — or the misery of meeting that opponent in the qualification rounds.

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      The current issue of World Ranking is based on old rules. The hidden rank due to no activity within 4 month is also old rules.
      Here is the test of New ranking system. Under new ranking rules, Dima is ranked #2 in November.
      http://teststats.alfaweb.gr/index.ph...=80&Itemid=237

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      This new system hurts talent rich countries. ie. China, Japan, Korea.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Vector Operator View Post
      This new system hurts talent rich countries. ie. China, Japan, Korea.
      only if they perform poorly, it should be better now for them as it is incentive to send the newer players to 'less important' tournaments where before there was no benefit to going there. Also as now the ranking list will take you out after 12 months of inactivity rather than 3 you can afford to send a higher number of players to international tournaments who are in your B list to competitions. its worse for the top 3 but better for a lot more especially for countries who cannot always send players to lots of competitions.

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      Why there is no xu xin and jike anymore?

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      Quote Originally Posted by thomas2901 View Post
      Why there is no xu xin and jike anymore?
      In the current system, if the player is inactive for 4 months, the rank will be folded. That does not hurt seeding. And the rank will be re-activated once the player attend a tournament. XX, ZJK will play German Open this month therefore their ranks will show up next month.
      BTW, this is no news at all. At the beginning of the year, ZJK, LSW's rank were both folded because of lack of activity for 4 months.
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      @zoomtt wrote a great article comparing the current and new ranking system. According to his analyses, the current ranking system is able to predict 76% of the match results correctly while the new ranking system 67% (just meet the criteria of a generic ranking system). The only problem is that the article was written in March and ITTF changed the ranking points table in Oct and made it worse.
      https://zoomtt.com/2017/03/31/new-wr...er-challenges/

      Under new ranking system, all the ranking points are good for 1 year except for WTTC and WTTC team events. However, there is no real distinction between good results and not so good results. For example, a winner in ITTF World Tour Platinum is 2250 points and a R32 is 1125 points; which means if one plays only one World Tour Platinum within a year and wins the champion, the rankings points are the the same as a player who plays two World Tour Platinum but loses in R32 twice. Of course, a pro player will not only play 1 or 2 tournament each year and the new ranking system counts the best 8 results within a year. But it is still possible that a player does not play too many tournaments (due to schedule/funding/injuries, whatever), and if he/she did not have 8 results within a year, he/she will be ranked much lower.
      If you take a look at women's ranking in new system, Ding Ning is ranked #19 because she has not played 8 tournaments within a year. At the beginning of next year her rank won't be high and it is very likely that she won't be a seed or even have to play qualification...
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      Quote Originally Posted by rainneverever View Post
      @zoomtt wrote a great article comparing the current and new ranking system. According to his analyses, the current ranking system is able to predict 76% of the match results correctly while the new ranking system 67% (just meet the criteria of a generic ranking system). The only problem is that the article was written in March and ITTF changed the ranking points table in Oct and made it worse.
      https://zoomtt.com/2017/03/31/new-wr...er-challenges/

      Under new ranking system, all the ranking points are good for 1 year except for WTTC and WTTC team events. However, there is no real distinction between good results and not so good results. For example, a winner in ITTF World Tour Platinum is 2250 points and a R32 is 1125 points; which means if one plays only one World Tour Platinum within a year and wins the champion, the rankings points are the the same as a player who plays two World Tour Platinum but loses in R32 twice. Of course, a pro player will not only play 1 or 2 tournament each year and the new ranking system counts the best 8 results within a year. But it is still possible that a player does not play too many tournaments (due to schedule/funding/injuries, whatever), and if he/she did not have 8 results within a year, he/she will be ranked much lower.
      If you take a look at women's ranking in new system, Ding Ning is ranked #19 because she has not played 8 tournaments within a year. At the beginning of next year her rank won't be high and it is very likely that she won't be a seed or even have to play qualification...
      It is clear that they are rewarding tour participation over performance. It seems a bit too much right now. Hopefully they will adjust the formula better over time.
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      Quote Originally Posted by TableTennisDaily View Post

      What does everyone think about the new ranking system? Is it better? Will this encourage players to remain more active on the circuit?
      This is not the "new World Ranking system". It is the one which was used for several years now. All players that have been inactive for more than 4 months are greyed out and do not appear on the list. However their WR-points are frozen, and as soon as they play again they are back where they were.

      However the System will change with 1 January 2018 and bring more dynamic into the ranking. The exact rules are already written down and confirmed and the ITTF will published them very soon.
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      Quote Originally Posted by T!Joachim View Post
      This is not the "new World Ranking system". It is the one which was used for several years now. All players that have been inactive for more than 4 months are greyed out and do not appear on the list. However their WR-points are frozen, and as soon as they play again they are back where they were.

      However the System will change with 1 January 2018 and bring more dynamic into the ranking. The exact rules are already written down and confirmed and the ITTF will published them very soon.
      Hi Joachim, you're right, we had a slight misunderstanding. Thanks for letting us know, the new ranking system will be very interesting. Will keep an eye out of the updates

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      The rule of 4 months is clear but the question is why ZJK and XX were inactive for the last 4 months ? Injuries or perhaps consequences of the rebellion ? And LGL is nowhere to be seen, as well as other best known coaches. Is anybody able to enlighten us as to what is really happening ? And what is the current organisation of Chinese TT ?

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