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      Lightbulb Another Rating System Much More Accurate Than the ITTF World Ranking

      ITTF Table Tennis Ratings is no longer the real "World Ranking". It's now considered as a ladder for the most recent active players. It doesn't reflect the true skills level of the top players. And using the current ITTF World Ranking is dangerous.
      Therefore, I decided to make my own rating system, with the hope to determine correctly the real best table tennis players in the world.

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      • 43 735 table tennis matches played in 2017 (in official ITTF events)
      • nearly 100 table tennis international tournaments during 2017

      Here is my own Table Tennis World Ranking - Senior Men for 01/2018.

      Table Tennis World Ranking 2018


      Want to know, how I calculate the rating of the top Men players, read more here: Table Tennis World Ranking System by EmRatThich.
      Last edited by EmRatThich; 01-12-2018 at 09:09 AM. Reason: Modified World Ranking Rating for Table Tennis

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      wtf coach?!
      make ma long no 1 or we will riot!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hamasaki_Fanz View Post
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      It's calculated by the 2017 results. If Ma Long just played only one tournaments in 2018, he will be ranked 1 again.

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      Excellent system, based on science and traditions in dozens of sports. ITTF overreacted to weaknesses in their old system and to current changes in table tennis structures. They threw the baby out with the bath water. One complicating factor for ratings is the splitting of the table tennis world in half, one side being China, the other being the rest of the world.

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      Quote Originally Posted by WorkerBee View Post
      Excellent system, based on science and traditions in dozens of sports. ITTF overreacted to weaknesses in their old system and to current changes in table tennis structures. They threw the baby out with the bath water. One complicating factor for ratings is the splitting of the table tennis world in half, one side being China, the other being the rest of the world.
      I said a long time ago that anyone can maintain an ELO system on their home computer, and that the goal for ranking system should be to support the activities of the federation running it.
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      It seems pretty accurate... you will keep updating it?
      I really appreciate the time you invested in this ranking system.
      EDIT: One thing. Lee Sangsu's flag is south and north korea's flag together. You should replace it with only south korean flag.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ajtatosmano2 View Post
      It seems pretty accurate... you will keep updating it?
      I really appreciate the time you invested in this ranking system.
      EDIT: One thing. Lee Sangsu's flag is south and north korea's flag together. You should replace it with only south korean flag.
      Yes, thank you! I will update it every month. I will change the flag.

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      Yes, excellent, EmRatThich - a really impressive piece of work. I shall use yours from now on. The ITTF one is now a joke, not a ranking table but a system of rewarding the good dogs who obey the rules. And who honestly thinks that Ding Ning is ranked 21 in the World just because the ITTF says so?

      You could give Lee Sang Su and the other Koreans the United Korea flag!!! (see World Championships, Chiba 1991)

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      Quote Originally Posted by EmRatThich View Post
      Want to know, how I calculate the rating of the top Men players, read more here: Table Tennis World Ranking System by EmRatThich.
      Stick to coaching.
      I didn't see any calculations on how to calculate ratings.
      I don't think tournaments should have different ratings. The importance of the tournament has nothing to do with skill level.
      I did like the idea of a 4-3 win not being as good as a 4-0 win but you didn't say how to implement it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by brokenball View Post
      Stick to coaching.
      I didn't see any calculations on how to calculate ratings.
      I don't think tournaments should have different ratings. The importance of the tournament has nothing to do with skill level.
      I did like the idea of a 4-3 win not being as good as a 4-0 win but you didn't say how to implement it.
      The code is rather long. The algorithm is based on the Probability of winning and Logistic Distribution.

      After reading Central Ratings, and another ELO system, I have the first version. This version will be updated. Here is the code example of the "LUCKY and SCORE factors".
      Code example of calculation for score effect


      Behind this, there is some code to adjust these factors.

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      Quote Originally Posted by brokenball View Post
      Stick to coaching.
      I didn't see any calculations on how to calculate ratings.
      I don't think tournaments should have different ratings. The importance of the tournament has nothing to do with skill level.
      I did like the idea of a 4-3 win not being as good as a 4-0 win but you didn't say how to implement it.
      In many rating system like ATP, FIFA, there are the tournament coefficient.
      Read more about ELO and Tennis system here:

      It's called Point Distribution.

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      I think the best is something in the middle. In my opinion the players should be rewarded for playing a lot, because they take the risk of losing, top players shouldn't be able to dodge all the smaller tournaments because they have more to lose than to gain.

      Also I think it shouldn't matter (ranking wise) if you win 4-0 or 4-3, a victory is a victory. Even a 4-0 can be very unlucky while a 4-2 might feel like a dominant performance

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      Quote Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
      Also I think it shouldn't matter (ranking wise) if you win 4-0 or 4-3, a victory is a victory. Even a 4-0 can be very unlucky while a 4-2 might feel like a dominant performance
      I think it matters. BUT, maybe I would use smaller differences between the winning ratio.

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      Feels about right, wasn't expecting Yan An that high though.

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      I like how you try to make your own ranking coach but I will still favor the new ittf ranking. As a fan I would like to see the top players play more. Besides this new system greatly favors the top players. They just need to play more and they're more likely to win more, injuries aside. Also a true table tennis fan doesn't need to know the rankings to tell the winning chances of the players. It only matters if you're running a betting casino and you want people, who know very little of table tennis, to bet on the games.

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      In my ranking list Xu Xin is No#1!



      My ranking favours who makes the most spectacular shots.

      Oh wait, just made up a new one...

      Now Jun Mizutani is first closely followed by Tiago Apolonia and the all time legend Mikael Appelgren.
      FYI this ranking list favours who is the best fisher and lobber...



      See, what I´m trying to say? Everybody has his own preferences. I think you got what i mean.
      If your so upset with the new ranking system why you don´t try get a job at ITTF ? This is quite childish and immature IMHO
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      Yawn.

      This kind of thing feeds the egos of the people dissatisfied that the current results don't reflect people's expectations. When the top pros are healthy and playing consistently, we will see how the new ITTF ranking system works. But this is just an excuse to feed the anger and insecurity of people who don't understand why the players who seem to be ranked lower than they should be got those rankings.
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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      Yawn.

      This kind of thing feeds the egos of the people dissatisfied that the current results don't reflect people's expectations. When the top pros are healthy and playing consistently, we will see how the new ITTF ranking system works. But this is just an excuse to feed the anger and insecurity of people who don't understand why the players who seem to be ranked lower than they should be got those rankings.
      I'm sorry, but I keep reading these kind of responses defending the new rating system. Perhaps only a few extreme fans are angry and insecure about the new rankings. From my playing circle, I think most are concerned about how this rating system financially affects players and how having an injury months before the WTTC or Olympics can impair the seedings of a top player and the course of a tournament (Imagine if Ma Long and Fan Zhendong were to meet in the second round of a WTTC).

      We already have a sense of how the ranking system works. We've seen how past tournaments have affected the rankings. We also know that Top players are now basically not allowed to fall sick or get injured. As an older player it's not going to be possible to just focus on the big tournaments. They're going to have to put their bodies through the grinder. We saw how exhausted Timo Boll was in his match against Fan Zhendong. Is that what you want to see?

      Everyone is also quick to compare to the new rating system to the Tennis rating system and conclude that it is fair. If my voice is not sufficient, Timo Boll had this to say on the subject:

      "Im Tennis spielt halt kein Topspieler in einem Verein, bzw. auf einer anderen Tour. Würden alle Tischtennis Spieler nur auf der World Tour starten und nichts anderes( wie im Tennis), wäre das System gut."

      Translated to: In Tennis no top player plays for a club, or for another tour (like T2). If all Table Tennis players were only to play ITTF World Tour matches, the new system would be good.

      Top Players have to play for their clubs to make a living. The Pro Tour prize money is not sufficient for players who are say not favorites to win the title, but still are still in the top 100 to lose money on the World Tour. I don't follow Tennis very closely but I'm sure that the prize-money and endorsements from a career in Tennis has a much higher scope. If you are constantly playing in the Bundesliga, Champions League, T2 and on the World Tour, then it's hard to regularly attend the World Tour. This is obviously going to be very hard on the body.

      Even before the new system, I think the CNT has been excellent about regularly sending their players to the World Tour. Obviously the firing of LGL and Ma Long's injuries caused them to be inactive for a while but Team China, Japan, South Korea and Germany are probably the only associations who can keep sending their players with such regularity. For the others it just isn't financially feasible. Even a player of Samsonov's calibre is mostly without a coach on the World Tour.


      I think ITTF may have had the right idea but the change is too drastic.

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      Quote Originally Posted by anchorschmidt View Post
      I'm sorry, but I keep reading these kind of responses defending the new rating system.
      I think there is a lot in your post that is valuable. I am not sure we are actually talking about the same thing. I am not sure we can defend or denigrate the new system till it has actually been in place and used for a while.

      I think there were flaws in the old system. And there are flaws in the new system. Hopefully, over time the system will be adjusted so that it works better. But we have no real idea of how well this system will work because it has just been implemented and all the players who people expect at the top and want to see at the top did not have the opportunity to play enough due to circumstances beyond their control. When all the top players are healthy and play consistently we will be able to see better how this system works.

      However, what I was actually talking about is that, by making his own ranking system, EmRatThich is playing on the egos, anger and the fears of the fans who do not like the initial ranking results. And the reason he is doing that is for the popularity of his YouTube channel, which is where he makes his money.

      Is that more clear. The system is not perfect. Hopefully, after ITTF sees how it works over the next 6 months to a year they can tweak it so it is better. But someone making their own ranking system, as though it would compete with ITTF's, well, lets look at the real motivation behind it rather than simply being led like cattle.
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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      I think there is a lot in your post that is valuable. I am not sure we are actually talking about the same thing. I am not sure we can defend or denigrate the new system till it has actually been in place and used for a while.

      I think there were flaws in the old system. And there are flaws in the new system. Hopefully, over time the system will be adjusted so that it works better. But we have no real idea of how well this system will work because it has just been implemented and all the players who people expect at the top and want to see at the top did not have the opportunity to play enough due to circumstances beyond their control. When all the top players are healthy and play consistently we will be able to see better how this system works.

      However, what I was actually talking about is that, by making his own ranking system, EmRatThich is playing on the egos, anger and the fears of the fans who do not like the initial ranking results. And the reason he is doing that is for the popularity of his YouTube channel, which is where he makes his money.

      Is that more clear. The system is not perfect. Hopefully, after ITTF sees how it works over the next 6 months to a year they can tweak it so it is better. But someone making their own ranking system, as though it would compete with ITTF's, well, lets look at the real motivation behind it rather than simply being let like cattle.
      Hi Carl,

      I don't play on the egos, anger, and the fears of the fans!

      When I first saw the ITTF ranking of Jan 2018, I've said "It's so ridiculous!". And started to find myself the reason!
      ZoomTT also finds that the new system has the flaws.
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      And I found that the real World Ranking is the "Rating Centrals", which is very scientific. However, the author didn't update the result due to some difficulty. If there is already the Update on Rating Centrals, I won't make this ranking.

      So I decided to make my own try! And I'm happy with it!

      Second, you said that, the motivation for my YouTube channel Wrong!

      It's almost nearly 2-3 weeks that I didn't make any YouTube videos. It's totally wrong, what you say.

      Recently, I'm too busy. I don't have enough time for my YouTube channel.

      And I just want to say to you, in this world, things run by "Passion and Money". Like this forum, it's made by Dan's passion. And of course, it should generate income because nothing is free for you.

      I make my own ranking because I love table tennis. This is the first thing! I spent a lot of time to read, to learn and to code.
      My real job offers me much more income per hours than the YouTube channel. But I love this sport, so I decided to focus on this.
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