Tacky rubber just because :)

RidTheKid · Mar 15, 2018

I could quote your entire post as being incorrect.

Have you tried H3N National extensively to make an insightful comparison?

What "fact" that "4 out of 10 sheets of h3neo are bad rubbers" are you referring to? Where do you get this statistic from?

I've owned 8 sheets of National rubbers and they're all amazing. Durability is simply great.

Boosting as being illegal is now up for official discussion within ITTF.

It's not bad for your health seeing as it's voc free. Everything you do in life can be a health hazard.

Why doesn't the CNT use B2 instead of H3N?

Lightzy said:
Well I can give you several reasons.
Battle2 still performs better than boosted h3neo in both power and control, it lasts much longer too since you don't really need to boost it, it is tackier and its tackiness is more resistant to humidity, heat and dirt, the fact that out 4 out of 10 sheets of h3neo are bad rubbers while 10 out of 10 sheets of battle2 are good (in my experience), the fact that boosting is both illegal in competitive play and bad for your health generally...

729B2zzzz · Mar 15, 2018

yeah i would agree with national being the best but for provincial and domestic versions battle 2 seems better iv try the lot i decided to say with prov coz of the $$$ and lasts alot longer boosting wise

Lightzy · Mar 15, 2018

RidTheKid said:
I could quote your entire post as being incorrect.

Have you tried H3N National extensively to make an insightful comparison?

What "fact" that "4 out of 10 sheets of h3neo are bad rubbers" are you referring to? Where do you get this statistic from?

I've owned 8 sheets of National rubbers and they're all amazing. Durability is simply great.

Boosting as being illegal is now up for official discussion within ITTF.

It's not bad for your health seeing as it's voc free. Everything you do in life can be a health hazard.

Why doesn't the CNT use B2 instead of H3N?

CNT plays with specially produced rubbers made specifically for their top players.
'national' version h3 rubbers that you can buy for $100 each are great fakes, but still fakes.
with regular h3neo rubbers quality control is horrible. That is from my own experience as I've stated.

Of course I haven't extensively tried h3 national because, sorry, I don't know anyone but you who'd pay that much for (admittedly good) fakes. I have played with h3national that a team mate bought but to me it was kinda meh.

Also like pointed out here, there's a provincial version of the battle2 which is supposed to be great though I've never tried it. I don't like spending much on rubbers that you gotta replace every so often.

RidTheKid · Mar 15, 2018

Where do you get your info from that the rubbers sold in the DHS shop during the WTTC 2017 in Dusseldorf are "fake"? And the rubbers sold on Prott? And the rubbers forum member Chen Chen sells? And the rubbers on tt11, an official DHS distributor?

You seem to be spewing nonsense just for the fun of it.

If you don't back up your claims with evidence you have zero credibility.

To you a H3N was "kinda meh" huh? Maybe your technique isn't on the proper level.

I have two friends who use B2 provincial, nothing wrong with that rubber but they boost the shit out of it as well, 2-3 layers of Falco.

You still seem to miss the point. I don't need to replace the rubbers often since they're extremely durable. I guess you missed that part. "You get what you pay for" is still valid.

Lightzy said:
CNT plays with specially produced rubbers made specifically for their top players.
'national' version h3 rubbers that you can buy for $100 each are great fakes, but still fakes.
with regular h3neo rubbers quality control is horrible. That is from my own experience as I've stated.

Of course I haven't extensively tried h3 national because, sorry, I don't know anyone but you who'd pay that much for (admittedly good) fakes. I have played with h3national that a team mate bought but to me it was kinda meh.

Also like pointed out here, there's a provincial version of the battle2 which is supposed to be great though I've never tried it. I don't like spending much on rubbers that you gotta replace every so often.

Lightzy · Mar 15, 2018

Enjoy the $100 fakes man, no worries.
rest assured you can't get a real CNT rubber unless a CNT player took it off his racket and gave it to you.
I don't remember who it was, someone whose a lot more closely familiar with these things posted once of how they have to return their worn out rubbers and get new ones etc.. so fat chance

RidTheKid · Mar 15, 2018

There's a big difference between "National" rubbers and "Personal" rubbers, I thought you understood that.

What you are referring to are the Butterfly rubbers, they are accounted for by Butterfly.

You are officially a troll.

suds79 · Mar 15, 2018

How did this thread get turned into comparing H3N, which is a $100+ rubber, to battle 2 which can be purchased for around $20?

The OP was dipping his toe in the water with trying tacky rubbers and somehow H3N came into the discussion. That's like saying "I'm thinking of purchasing my first car. Anybody got a reliable suggestion?" and someone answering "I really like the Bugatti Veyron. It's a great car."

Anyways, the OP has his suggestions and more than enough posts to give it a whirl. Now we just need to wait it out and see what he thinks.

Xylit · Mar 15, 2018

The tackiest rubber I have ever played with for a few years was the Butterfly Tackiness C I guess and it was great.

RidTheKid · Mar 15, 2018

Why does cost matter? Maybe the OP doesn't have anything against paying $100 to get the best possible rubber.

suds79 said:
How did this thread get turned into comparing H3N, which is a $100+ rubber, to battle 2 which can be purchased for around $20?

The OP was dipping his toe in the water with trying tacky rubbers and somehow H3N came into the discussion. That's like saying "I'm thinking of purchasing my first car. Anybody got a reliable suggestion?" and someone answering "I really like the Bugatti Veyron. It's a great car."

Anyways, the OP has his suggestions and more than enough posts to give it a whirl. Now we just need to wait it out and see what he thinks.

vvk1 · Mar 15, 2018

suds79 said:
How did this thread get turned into comparing H3N, which is a $100+ rubber, to battle 2 which can be purchased for around $20?

The OP was dipping his toe in the water with trying tacky rubbers and somehow H3N came into the discussion. That's like saying "I'm thinking of purchasing my first car. Anybody got a reliable suggestion?" and someone answering "I really like the Bugatti Veyron. It's a great car."

Anyways, the OP has his suggestions and more than enough posts to give it a whirl. Now we just need to wait it out and see what he thinks.

Small niggle: H3N is not a $100+ rubber simply because H3N is abbreviation for H3 Neo, not national. Usually, when people want to refer to provincial or national versions of H3N, they add the corresponding extra word after H3N.

RidTheKid · Mar 15, 2018

Correct. I referred to my equipment info.

vvk1 said:
Small niggle: H3N is not a $100+ rubber simply because H3N is abbreviation for H3 Neo, not national. Usually, when people want to refer to provincial or national versions of H3N, they add the corresponding extra word after H3N.

suds79 · Mar 15, 2018

vvk1 said:
Small niggle: H3N is not a $100+ rubber simply because H3N is abbreviation for H3 Neo, not national. Usually, when people want to refer to provincial or national versions of H3N, they add the corresponding extra word after H3N.

Fair enough. I Probably should have been more clear or made my abbreviations correct in making my point. But H3 National did come come up in discussion & comparison to Battle 2. But your note is spot on.

RidTheKid said:
Why does cost matter? Maybe the OP doesn't have anything against paying $100 to get the best possible rubber.

Yeah I guess it's possible. To me that seems foolish but that's just my opinion. I stand by my car reference there for someone looking to try something out. I mean why does cost matter right? But sure, the OP can add H3 national to his list of options. I'm sure it'd play fine.

On a side note, I don't think spending more equals better all the time. It just means more expensive. I'm not saying that you're saying that. But some of the more expensive rubbers I've tried have been disappointments or somewhat overrated in my experience.

Astorix · Mar 15, 2018

Here are some suggestions for "easier to play" tacky rubbers.
Yinhe Big Dipper. Haifu Whale 2 and 3 National. Sanwei Target National.
All to get for around 15-30 USD each.

watcher · Mar 15, 2018

you guys are awesome! but please don't argue... this is a request to have some extra fun with a sport I love to play

haven't ordered yet. why? because shopping around makes me want more things, and I am falling victim to the EJ bug. I've somehow found a sheet of R7, Vega Pro and a Fextra blade in my cart, as well has h3n, sanwei target national, 729-08 and the ultraspin.

of course, i'm probably not going to buy all this... just need some will power to pull most of these out and make the order. but given the intensity of this thread, i am now starting to feel some pressure to give feedback on whatever I play with

but really, i'm quite happy to see all the passion here

Atas Newton · Mar 15, 2018

yogi_bear said:
Sanwei taiji and ultra spin are also very good cheap rubbers but are easier to handle than neo h3.

Sanwei Taiji is an amazing rubber, but it's way, way slower than neo h3, so keep that in mind if you choose it, OP. I can't be happier having it on my bh side. If I flip the racket and play with it on my forehand though, it becomes virtually impossible to miss the table (hell of an arc on the ball) with a flipside that it's also impossible to hit a winner speed-wise.

Simas · Mar 16, 2018

watcher said:
haven't ordered yet. why? because shopping around makes me want more things, and I am falling victim to the EJ bug. I've somehow found a sheet of R7, Vega Pro and a Fextra blade in my cart, as well has h3n, sanwei target national, 729-08 and the ultraspin.

of course, i'm probably not going to buy all this... just need some will power to pull most of these out and make the order. but given the intensity of this thread, i am now starting to feel some pressure to give feedback on whatever I play with

but really, i'm quite happy to see all the passion here

welcome to the club

Just keep in mind, that too much of EJunking is bad for consistency of your play. From my personal experience...

sderyke2002 · Mar 16, 2018

The worst part about being an EJ is that the first hit isn't free. Isn't the first hit supposed to be free? Come on I want my free hit. I need it. I'm begging.

Astorix · Mar 16, 2018

sderyke2002 said:
The worst part about being an EJ is that the first hit isn't free. Isn't the first hit supposed to be free? Come on I want my free hit. I need it. I'm begging.

The best you can get is free shipping for orders above 70 € at tabletennis11.com
and for some specific items at ttnpp.com

Lightzy · Mar 16, 2018

No, the best you can get is aliexpress with entirely free shipping and the best choice of all tacky rubbers

OrienteTT · Mar 16, 2018

just buy the Palio Hadou 40+ for 10€ and you wont regret nothing.

Tacky rubber just because :)

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