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I hope that's true!

The chinese media denied the news and has written that Its just a rumor . Zhang jike went to participate in butterfly ceremony with Jun mizutani and harimoto . Also it will be great if he plays there . There're lots of great players there and also zhang jike will play after a long time . If he wants to play in Tokyo 2020 He needs to play .
 
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Does anyone understand how is the order of matches decided ?
strange for example to see Mizutani vs Yoshida in both matches 4 and 5
 
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Results from Round 4-7 (16-25 November 2018):

Men

[1:2] Okayama Rivets 3:1 T.T Saitama [2:1] (Fri 16 Nov)
1) Jin Ueda/Masataka Morizono 2:0 Seiya Kishikawa/Wong Chun Ting (11:5, 14:12)
2) Lim Jonghoon 3:2 Maharu Yoshimura (8:11, 10:12, 11:6, 11:8, 11:8)
3) Lee Sangsu 3:2 Wong Chun Ting (11:6, 11:9, 7:11, 9:11, 13:11)
4) Jin Ueda 1:3 Jeoung Youngsik (11:8, 8:11, 9:11, 8:11)


[2:2] Okayama Rivets 1:3 Ryukyu Asteeda [0:3] (Sat 17 Nov)
1) Jin Ueda/Masataka Morizono 2:1 Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh (8:11, 11:8, 11:7)
2) Lim Jonghoon 1:3 Koki Niwa (8:11, 11:4, 14:16, 8:11)
3) Kazuhiro Yoshimura 1:3 Chen Chien-An (10:12, 16:18, 11:6, 8:11)
4) Lee Sangsu 2:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan (4:11, 13:11, 11:7, 7:11, 11:13)


[3:0] Kinoshita Meister 3:2 T.T Saitama [2:2] (Sat 17 Nov)
1) Jun Mizutani/Yuya Oshima 0:2 Wong Chun Ting/Jeoung Youngsik (13:15, 11:13)
2) Kenta Matsudaira 1:3 Yuki Hirano (9:11, 11:7, 11:13, 10:12)
3) Jun Mizutani 3:2 Tiago Apolonia (11:5, 10:12, 5:11, 11:7, 11:8)
4) Tomokazu Harimoto 3:0 Jeoung Youngsik (11:8, 11:6, 11:8)
5) Tomokazu Harimoto 1:0 Wong Chun Ting (11:7)


[4:0] Kinoshita Meister 3:1 Ryukyu Asteeda [1:3] (Sun 18 Nov)
1) Jun Mizutani/Kenta Matsudaira 2:0 Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh (11:6, 11:7)
2) Tomokazu Harimoto 3:2 Chuang Chih-Yuan (9:11, 11:3, 9:11, 11:5, 12:10)
3) Yuya Oshima 3:2 Koki Niwa (11:3, 9:11, 5:11, 12:10, 11:9)
4) Jun Mizutani 1:3 Chen Chien-An (11:5, 8:11, 5:11, 6:11)


[2:3] T.T Saitama 3:2 Okayama Rivets [2:3] (Tue 20 Nov)
1) Wong Chun Ting/Maharu Yoshimura 2:1 Jin Ueda/Masataka Morizono (4:11, 11:7, 11:9)
2) Jeoung Youngsik 3:2 Kazuhiro Yoshimura (8:11, 11:6, 10:12, 11:7, 11:8)
3) Yuki Hirano 0:3 Lee Sangsu (9:11, 9:11, 5:11)
4) Wong Chun Ting 2:3 Jin Ueda (11:9, 12:10, 9:11, 8:11, 7:11)
5) Jeoung Youngsik 1:0 Lee Sangsu (11:3)


[3:3] T.T Saitama 0:4 Ryukyu Asteeda [1:4] (Wed 21 Nov)
1) Wong Chun Ting/Maharu Yoshimura 0:2 Koki Niwa/Taimu Arinobu (7:11, 10:12)
2) Jeoung Youngsik 0:3 Chen Chien-An (4:11, 8:11, 8:11)
3) Yuki Hirano 0:3 Koki Niwa (6:11, 7:11, 11:13)
4) Wong Chun Ting 2:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan (9:11, 11:8, 11:9, 7:11, 9:11)


[5:0] Kinoshita Meister 3:1 Ryukyu Asteeda [2:4] (Sat 24 Nov)
1) Jun Mizutani/Kenta Matsudaira 2:0 Koki Niwa/Taimu Arinobu (11:9, 14:12)
2) Tomokazu Harimoto 3:0 Chen Chien-An (11:8, 11:4, 11:8)
3) Jun Mizutani 1:3 Koki Niwa (9:11, 11:9, 8:11, 9:11)
4) Yuya Oshima 3:0 Chuang Chih-Yuan (11:2, 11:7, 11:7)


[6:0] Kinoshita Meister 2:3 Okayama Rivets [3:3] (Sun 25 Nov)
1) Jun Mizutani/Kenta Matsudaira 0:2 Jin Ueda/Masataka Morizono (8:11, 14:16)
2) Tomokazu Harimoto 3:0 Masaki Yoshida (11:5, 11:6, 11:8)
3) Jun Mizutani 3:1 Kazuhiro Yoshimura (9:11, 11:7, 15:13, 11:9)
4) Yuya Oshima 1:3 Jin Ueda (7:11, 4:11, 11:6, 8:11)
5) Tomokazu Harimoto 0:1 Kazuhiro Yoshimura (6:11)


Standings (after Round 7):
1) [6:1] Kinoshita Meister (20 pts)
2) [3:4] T.T Saitama (11 pts)
3) [3:4] Okayama Rivets (11 pts)
4) [2:5] Ryukyu Asteeda (8 pts)

* Top 2 teams after all rounds (21) qualifies for play-offs (finals)


Women

[0:3] Top Nagoya 2:3 Nippon Paint Mallets [2:1] (Thu 15 Nov)
1) Misaki Morizono/Cheng I-Ching 1:3 Lee Ho Ching/Saki Tashiro (11:5, 10:12, 9:11)
2) Ng Wing Nam 3:2 Shiho Matsudaira (7:11, 11:3, 11:6, 4:11, 11:7)
3) Suh Hyowon 1:3 Lee Ho Ching (11:7, 6:11, 5:11, 6:11)
4) Cheng I-Ching 3:0 Natsumi Nakahata (11:8, 11:4, 11:6)
5) Shu Hyowon 0:1 Shiho Matsudaira (10:12)


[0:4] Top Nagoya 1:3 Kinoshita Abyell [3:0] (Fri 16 Nov)
1) Misaki Morizono/Cheng I-Ching 0:2 Miyu Nagasaki/Mizuki Morizono (11:13, 9:11)
2) Suh Hyowon 0:3 Yuan Xuejiao (7:11, 4:11, 7:11)
3) Cheng I-Ching 3:1 Miyu Nagasaki (11:7, 6:11, 11:6, 11:9)
4) Ng Wing Nam 0:3 Yui Hamamoto (9:11, 4:11, 6:11)


[1:2] Nippon Life 4:0 Nippon Paint Mallets [3:1] (Sat 17 Nov)
1) Cheng Chenchen/Jiang Hui 2:0 Lee Ho Ching/Saki Tashiro (11:7, 11:1)
2) Hina Hayata 3:0 Feng Tianwei (11:6, 12:10, 14:12)
3) Miu Hirano 3:1 Lee Ho Ching (12:10, 11:7, 8:11, 11:6)
4) Chang Chenchen 3:0 Shiho Matsudaira (11:9, 11:4, 11:9)


[2:2] Nippon Life 3:1 Kinoshita Abyell [4:0] (Sun 18 Nov)
1) Chang Chenchen/Jiang Hui 1:2 Yuan Xuejiao/Miyu Nagasaki (11:4, 5:11, 8:11)
2) Miu Hirano 3:1 Kasumi Ishikawa (8:11, 11:7, 11:8, 11:8)
3) Hina Hayata 3:2 Yuan Xuejiao (11:8, 11:7, 7:11, 10:12, 11:9)
4) Jiang Hui 3:1 Yui Hamamoto (9:11, 11:7, 11:7, 11:1)


[3:2] Nippon Paint Mallets 2:3 Top Nagoya [0:5] (Mon 19 Nov)
1) Feng Tianwei/Saki Tashiro 2:0 Misaki Morizono/Rika Suzuki (12:10, 11:8)
2) Shiho Matsudaira 1:3 Ng Wing Nam (10:12, 7:11, 11:8, 9:11)
3) Feng Tianwei 3:0 Elizabeta Samara (11:7, 11:4, 11:3)
4) Lee Ho Ching 2:3 Suh Hyowon (11:8, 12:10, 8:11, 15:17, 6:11)
5) Lee Ho Ching 0:1 Suh Hyowon (2:11)


[3:3] Nippon Paint Mallets 1:3 Nippon Life [3:2] (Tue 20 Nov)
1) Feng Tianwei/Saki Tashiro 1:2 Chang Chenchen/Jiang Hui (11:4, 4:11, 9:11)
2) Lee Ho Ching 1:3 Miyu Maeda (10:12, 3:11, 11:6, 10:12)
3) Shiho Matsudaira 0:3 Hina Hayata (5:11, 2:11, 5:11)
4) Feng Tianwei 3:2 Jiang Hui (9:11, 11:7, 11:9, 6:11, 12:10)


[4:1] Kinoshita Abyell 4:0 Top Nagoya [1:5] (Tue 20 Nov)
1) Miyu Nagasaki/Mizuki Morizono 2:0 Misaki Morizono/Rika Suzuki (11:5, 11:9)
2) Yuan Xuejiao 3:0 Ng Wing Nam (11:5, 11:7, 11:5)
3) Yui Hamamoto 3:2 Minami Ando (8:11, 9:11, 11:6, 11:9, 11:7)
4) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Suh Hyowon (11:6, 11:9, 12:10)


[5:1] Kinoshita Abyell 2:3 Nippon Life [4:2] (Wed 21 Nov)
1) Miyu Nagasaki/Miyuu Kihara 0:2 Chang Chenchen/Jiang Hui (9:11, 4:11)
2) Yui Hamamoto 0:3 Hina Hayata (13:15, 4:11, 5:11)
3) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Chen Szu-Yu (11:7, 11:4, 11:4)
4) Miyu Nagasaki 3:1 Jiang Hui (11:9, 12:10, 9:11, 11:9)
5) Kasumi Ishikawa 0:1 Hina Hayata (10:12)


Standings (after 7 matches):
1) [5:2] Kinoshita Abyell (18 pts)
2) [5:2] Nippon Life (17 pts)
3) [3:4] Nippon Paint Mallets (11 pts)
4) [1:6] Top Nagoya (5 pts)

* Top 2 teams after all rounds (21) qualifies for play-offs (finals)

Source: https://tleague.jp.e.aff.hp.transer.com/match/
 
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Yes I realised afterwards my comment was pretty negative, apologies for that. I'm all in for grassroots growth of the game, as anyone should be, and I am also the biggest fan of what the current Japanese youngsters are doing. Maybe it's because I posted that right after yesterday afternoon, when a guy at a local team competition was talking about the shortage of elite funding in some sports in France, apparently Martin Fourcade made a stiff public rant about it on TV. I can't say I have looked up the figures and we have it pretty good here in France, but still I might just be jealous!

France has been doing very well in European circuit in recent times so they must be doing something right!
There was a French girl practicing for a year at our Elete Academy a few years ago, seems that France is puting more effort into development work too.

Currently, JTTA spends abount 500M JPY(approx 5M USD) on high performance and development out of 1200M JPY budget per year. I don't really know how this would compare to other countries but this is a lot more than what it used to be.

In terms of high performance expenditure, it comes from other sources too such as Japanese companies who own and perticipate in JTTL and players' personal sponsors. Adding all up results in huge number of reps in PTs.
 
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France has been doing very well in European circuit in recent times so they must be doing something right!
There was a French girl practicing for a year at our Elete Academy a few years ago, seems that France is puting more effort into development work too.

Currently, JTTA spends abount 500M JPY(approx 5M USD) on high performance and development out of 1200M JPY budget per year. I don't really know how this would compare to other countries but this is a lot more than what it used to be.

In terms of high performance expenditure, it comes from other sources too such as Japanese companies who own and perticipate in JTTL and players' personal sponsors. Adding all up results in huge number of reps in PTs.

Hi, ttpshot, thanks for the info. In comparison, France's elite budget seems to be 2M€ out of 5.4M overall, which is by no means negligible (of course it wouldn't cover a single individual's income in some other sports, but still) and not even very far removed from Japan's budget.
https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&sour...FjABegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw36l1s9UrLZsmxrjymcHy7W

I'd be interested to know whether Japan has been investing much more than usual in view of the Olympics?

I would imagine that there is a lot more corporate investment in Japan but still, the league is strong enough in France that players can measure up against some of the cream of the European crop. One of our main strengths also is the fact that playing in a club is virtually free (well, 70€ to 120€ a year for a league registration at regional level, and that's it - no training fees or anything),and that includes the big clubs which can provide proper coaches. You'd only pay extra for full-time "internships" and stuff, and even that is usually quite affordable due to state, region or local subsidies.
On the other hand, income for high-level players seems to be nearly entirely dependant on club salaries, tournament results and sponsorships, all of which can fluctuate a lot. This is where the Fourcade rant comes into play, as stable public funding for individual athletes (in terms of income, or even means to attend tournaments) seems to be very scarce and yet going downwards.

Should it be enough for me to complain... Probably not. As you said, we have quite a few promising players, even though the overall number of players decreases every year (not just in TT). There's still a fairly healthy spirit overall and I may be wrong - this is where I go a little wayward - , but it seems in keeping with the times that many youngsters would turn down the stable career path to try and make the best shot out of their passion.

Huh... Where did we start? :p Yes, it is a good thing if Japan invest and produce top talent. Also, the variety in styles is great and probably a source of headaches to the CNT. I must have been in a bad mood when I complained!
 
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I really hope Chinese Super League have more foreign players... It would be much more interesting to watch, and it would improve all the players' skill levels. It's a win-win for everyone...

But chinese never think like that . Its not win win for them . Remember Miu hirano . It had a very good effect on her preparation beside her good training in national team . Imagine Mima Ito can have an opportunity to play in china . She will be out of reach .
 
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But chinese never think like that . Its not win win for them . Remember Miu hirano . It had a very good effect on her preparation beside her good training in national team . Imagine Mima Ito can have an opportunity to play in china . She will be out of reach .

Ok, this line of logic seems to make sense, but it really doesn't. Sure, players like Harimoto and Ito will get to play top Chinese players more often, but the top Chinese players will also get to play Harimoto and Ito more often. In the end, both sides will get better, and the best players will win.
NBA is a great example. There are plenty of great foreign players in NBA, but this has not shaken the US's dominance on basketball in the world. I think Chinese Super League should learn from NBA.
 
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Does anyone understand how is the order of matches decided ?
strange for example to see Mizutani vs Yoshida in both matches 4 and 5
 
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It might be a good idea to explain the match format again because they changed it on 11/14. Due to poor wording, one of the rules could be interpreted such that a player could play in 3 matches, 1 doubles and 2 singles. They changed it.

As for the same player playing in 2 consecutive matches, it's allowed in the rules. The 5th match is considered an extension match(1 11-point game). Either team is free to field any player they wish so long as the player has not played in 2 matches until then.

◆独自ルール1:チームマッチの方式

基本は4マッチ(3シングルス、1ダブルス)で構成
第4マッチまでの出場者は試合前に確定し、対戦チームとメンバー交換
シングルスは5ゲームマッチ、ダブルスは3ゲームマッチ。各マッチの最終ゲームは6-6からスタート
第4マッチ終了時にマッチカウント2-2(同点)の場合、延長戦を行う
延長戦は1ゲーム(11ポイント)マッチのみ。出場者はその場で決定。ベンチ入りしている選手であれば誰でも出場できる
全チームマッチは必ず第4マッチまで実施。(第3チームマッチの時点で3-0であっても第4マッチを必ず実施する)
1チームマッチには4名以上出場しなければならない
1人の選手は、1チームマッチのうち最大2マッチまで出場できる(延長戦を含む)。
ただし、シングルスは1マッチまでしか出場することはできない(延長戦を除く)。
1人の選手が延長戦を除き連続して2マッチには出場できない
ベンチに入ることができる人数は(1)出場選手4~6名(2)監督1名(3)コーチ1名の最大8名まで
◆ Original rule 1: Team match method

Basic consists of 4 matches (3 singles, 1 doubles)
Participants up to the 4th match will be confirmed before the game, members exchange with the opponent team
Singles is 5 game matches, doubles is 3 game matches. The final game of each match starts from 6 - 6
In case of match count 2 - 2 (tied) at the end of the 4th match, we will extend the match
Extended game is only one game (11 points) match. Contestants are decided on the spot. Any player can enter the bench
All team matches must be executed until the fourth match. (Even if it is 3-0 at the time of the 3rd team match, we always implement the 4th match)
More than four people must participate in one team match
A single player can enter up to two matches out of a team match (including extension game).
However, singles can only participate up to one match (excluding extension game).
A single player can not participate in 2 matches in a row except for the extension match
The number of people who can enter the bench is (1) 4 to 6 participating players (2) supervisor (1) up to 8 of 1 coach
 
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Does anyone understand how is the order of matches decided ?
strange for example to see Mizutani vs Yoshida in both matches 4 and 5

Does anyone understand how is the order of matches decided ?
strange for example to see Mizutani vs Yoshida in both matches 4 and 5

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Hi, ttpshot, thanks for the info. In comparison, France's elite budget seems to be 2M€ out of 5.4M overall, which is by no means negligible (of course it wouldn't cover a single individual's income in some other sports, but still) and not even very far removed from Japan's budget.
https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&sour...FjABegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw36l1s9UrLZsmxrjymcHy7W

I'd be interested to know whether Japan has been investing much more than usual in view of the Olympics?

I would imagine that there is a lot more corporate investment in Japan but still, the league is strong enough in France that players can measure up against some of the cream of the European crop. One of our main strengths also is the fact that playing in a club is virtually free (well, 70€ to 120€ a year for a league registration at regional level, and that's it - no training fees or anything),and that includes the big clubs which can provide proper coaches. You'd only pay extra for full-time "internships" and stuff, and even that is usually quite affordable due to state, region or local subsidies.
On the other hand, income for high-level players seems to be nearly entirely dependant on club salaries, tournament results and sponsorships, all of which can fluctuate a lot. This is where the Fourcade rant comes into play, as stable public funding for individual athletes (in terms of income, or even means to attend tournaments) seems to be very scarce and yet going downwards.

Should it be enough for me to complain... Probably not. As you said, we have quite a few promising players, even though the overall number of players decreases every year (not just in TT). There's still a fairly healthy spirit overall and I may be wrong - this is where I go a little wayward - , but it seems in keeping with the times that many youngsters would turn down the stable career path to try and make the best shot out of their passion.

Huh... Where did we start? :p Yes, it is a good thing if Japan invest and produce top talent. Also, the variety in styles is great and probably a source of headaches to the CNT. I must have been in a bad mood when I complained!

Ah, that explains why France is doing very well in European scene! I sense that next Gatien is just around the corner...

Japan (JOC) has been investing a lot of money towards all sports ever since the olympics is awarded to Tokyo. This is the main reason for better results for Japan from 2000 onward. The money is spent mainly towards high performance so it's far from ideal for ordinary sports recreationist like me, so in that way France has much better club system I think.
 
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Yes, two different approaches. Of course, the egalitarian in me prefers the French system but I wonder if it plays a part in us having so many "almost there" players (Gauzy, Flore, Lebesson, Ouaiche, Mattenet, Akkuzu, the Robinot brothers... now Seyfried and Romain Ruiz, and I have omitted a few) who could all beat one another on any given day, as seen in the 2016 ETTC or this year's national championship (Alex Robinot did beat Pitchford later on this year, but still).

Was it not here somewhere, that there was a story about Timo Boll's entire entourage moving with him when he was fourteen, to help with his development. After which, we know the story.

Here I know this is an individual story, and only reflects favourable conditions for this one person at one precise moment. It is just to point out how this kind of conditions can fuel the extra-mile from "gifted" to "gifted and achieving". Harimoto would be another example.
 
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its all over today. it was the finals both Mens and Womens

Kinoshita Tokyo (Harimoto + Mizutani + Oshima + Hou Yingchao) won against Okayama Rivets (Morizono + Lee SS + Ueda + Yoshimura Jr) 3 matches to 1 (lost doubles).
Hou (38yo Chinese chopper) was too consistent for Yoshimura, very disappointing performance from him. Mizutani trashed LSS 3-0 , looked like LSS went partying last night. Morizono put in a very good fight against Harimoto but he was playing 200% and that wasn't sustainable. He finally collapsed in the very end. That was the best match of the day.

Red Elves (Hayata, Hirano, Maeda, Chang/Jiang) won against Kinoshita girls (Yuan Xuejiao, Doo Hoo Kiem, Ishikawa, IShikawa /Kihara) 3-2 after the golden set (11-7) between Hayata and Yuan. Hayata beat Yuan in the 3rd match 19-17 in the decider !!! that was a tough match. Hayata the MVP of the day and the league with 13 victories and no defeat... Kinoshita coach didn't want Kasumi to play the decisive match, because we know what would have happened. Kasumi had a hard time against Maeda who went all out (3-1) and she litteraly cost her team the match when in doubles she completely choked at 10-7 in the decider of the doubles. One penalty miss and several unforgivable direct misses....

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