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      Quote Originally Posted by WiWa View Post
      Liu Guoliang on Wang Hao, from Tabletennista.com:

      What worries Liu Guoliang the most is the that Wang Hao failed to give power. After Wang Hao's defeat against Ma Long, Liu Guoliang frankly stated that Wang Hao is in a dangerous position.

      "Wang Hao's condition and his level of performance vary considerably and do not match his position in the team. If this will continue, Wang Hao will be in a very dangerous state. Zhang Jike and Ma Long are already into the Olympic state. Waiting for Wang Hao to find his right condition might just be a little late. Professional sports can sometimes be brutal. The current Wang Hao is not comparable to Zhang Jike and Ma Long." Liu Guoliang concluded.
      i read it too this morning. sounds like the carpet fall. ma long and zhang jike will go
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      No doubt, Wang Hao has the credentials. He was the no 1 for quite some time. But, lately he was below par by his standard. Liu has to pick players who are performing, rather than sentiments. But having said that, the Olympics will be in the summer next year. A lot of things can happen between now and then.

      Wang Hao may regain his form (just like Ma Long did). Ma Long or ZJK may suffer injuries which may open the window for Wang Hao, or even Ma Lin or Xu Xin. I think it's still too early to say. Liu will wait until the eleventh hour before deciding the team.
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      They don't have teams at the Olympics anymore, it was my understanding that they had replaced it with the doubles event now. So it will be 2 men and 2 women maximum. I think Ma Long is still going to be at the head of the field come selection time. The second player I think will come down to Wang Hao or ZJK and realistically ZJK will probably make it unless Wang Hao can win something in the lead up to the games
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      Quote Originally Posted by PingPongPom View Post
      They don't have teams at the Olympics anymore, it was my understanding that they had replaced it with the doubles event now. So it will be 2 men and 2 women maximum. I think Ma Long is still going to be at the head of the field come selection time. The second player I think will come down to Wang Hao or ZJK and realistically ZJK will probably make it unless Wang Hao can win something in the lead up to the games
      There is only 1 doubles pair allowed per country? In that case that is gonna be a quite worthless event, maybe apart from the semi-finals and final :O It is sad that the team event is taken away.

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      I'm not sure on what restrictions there are for doubles pairs, in the past there have been more than one pair from China at the Olympics, whether there is a new rule for that now i'm not sure?

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      This is all so confusing. I managed to find some info though not a complete one.

      There are 72 places available in the Olympic competition and a maximum of three athletes from each nation are eligible to qualify, per gender. The top 28 eligible players on the ITTF World Ranking have automatically been qualified for 2012, with a maximum of two athletes per nation. Should there be an exact tie for the last ranking qualification spot, the world ranking list from the previous season will be used and the better player will qualify.

      There are then six qualification events (Africa, Asia, Latin America, North America, Oceania and Europe) held between June 2011 and May 2012, through which 40 more players per gender can qualify. In May 2012, two final places will be awarded during a tournament which is as yet unscheduled. The international governing body also have the option of awarding one invitational spot per gender to an athlete of their choice.

      For the team competition, the top ranked teams from the 2012 World Team Championships will earn the chance to compete in London, as well as the highest ranked nation out of those taking part in the six qualification events. This is where a third player may qualify. Britain, as the host nation, will be awarded an automatic place in the competition.

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      So does that mean if China win the World Team Champs and already have 2 players qualified by the ITTF rankings then they can only have one more player per gender? that discounts them from competing in the Asia Olympics Qualification event correct? Sounds very confusing indeed

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      D.QUALIFICATION PATHWAY
      Seventy-two (72) athletes per gender will qualify as follows:
      28 ITTF World Ranking, with a maximum of two (2) players per NOC
      40 Continental qualification
      2 Final World Qualification Event
      1 Tripartite Commission Invitation place
      1 Host NOC direct entry
      72 Total - with a maximum of three (3) athletes from the same NOC, with a maximum of two (2) to participate in singles events.
      The remaining quota of 14 athletes per gender (Team Quota) will be used to complete the teams if necessary. The Final World Qualification Tournament may qualify more than two (2) players if the Team Quota (14 places) is not fully utilised.

      1. ITTF World Ranking Qualification
      The top twenty-eight (28) eligible players on the first ITTF World Ranking published following the 2011 World Championships to be held in Rotterdam (Netherlands), from 8 to 15 of May 2011 will be qualified, with a maximum of two (2) players per NOC.
      In case of an exact tie for the last direct qualifying position, reference will be made to the previous World Ranking List and the better ranked player will qualify. If still tied, reference would be made to the previous World Ranking List and so on until the tie is broken.

      2. Continental Qualification
      Players will be qualified through continental qualification events, held between 1 June 2011 and 22 April 2012, according to the following distribution:
      6 Africa
      11 Asia
      11 Europe
      6 Latin America
      3 North America
      3 Oceania
      40 Total
      The ITTF and its Continental Federations are responsible for holding Continental qualification events following the general regulations for Olympic Qualification events. The ITTF and its Continental Federations will plan the qualification events (dates, places and number of players to qualify in each tournament) before 31 December 2010, as well as announcing the names of the qualified players after each qualifying event according to the above quota and according to the established timelines.

      3. Final World Qualification Tournament
      The top two (2) players at the Final World Qualification Tournament will qualify.
      Entries to the Final World Qualification Tournament will be limited to players who have otherwise not qualified by the ITTF World Ranking or by Continental Qualification. NOCs may only enter the same number of athletes as quota places remaining, within the maximum number of three (3) per NOC.
      The number of qualification places from this competition may be increased if the continental qualification allocation of 40 players is not reached, if the host NOC direct entry place is not used and/or if the Team Quota (14 places) is not fully utilised.

      SINGLES EVENTS
      The first two players to qualify per gender and per NOC will participate in singles events. The order of qualification will be firstly ITTF World Ranking, then Continental qualification, and finally the Final World Qualification event.
      Any third qualified player from an NOC will be provisionally qualified for the Team event only (up to the number of teams required). If there are more than 9 (or 10) NOCs with 3 players qualified after the Continental quota and host NOC direct entry have been determined, the third player(s) from those NOCs not qualifying for the Team event will not be qualified and will be replaced. If the continental quotas are therefore not filled as a result of this vacancy, the quota places will be filled by the next best eligible athlete, not yet qualified, of the same gender and same continent, according to the relevant continental qualification event. Otherwise the relevant quota place(s) will be filled by selecting the next best eligible athlete(s), not yet qualified from the Final World Qualification Tournament.

      TEAM EVENTS
      Sixteen (16) Teams for each of the Men’s Team and Women’s Team events will qualify as follows:
      6 One team from each ITTF Continent
      1 Host NOC direct entry
      9 Remaining selected teams
      An additional quota (Team Quota) of 14 individual places per gender are made available to complement (if necessary) the quota for NOCs that qualify for the team event but did not otherwise qualify enough players to form a team.
      Players who have been added to a team from the quota of 14 additional places may only play in the team event and shall not be entered in the singles event.
      Each player in a team must be from the same NOC, but it is allowable that a player in a team not be entered in the singles event. A maximum of one (1) men’s team and one (1) women’s team per NOC may be entered.

      Team selection
      After the Final World Qualification Tournament, the Team selection process will begin as follows:

      1. Continental quota

      Six (6) teams:
      1 for Africa
      1 for Asia
      1 for Europe
      1 for Latin America
      1 for North America
      1 for Oceania.

      One (1) team from each continent (six (6) teams) will be selected as follows:
      a) For each continent, the highest ranked team in the 2012 World Team Championships, which has an NOC and a total of three (3) players qualified through any of the Olympic qualification methods, will form a team and will be designated the continental quota for that continent.
      b) For continents where no NOC has three (3) players qualified through any of the Olympic qualification methods, the NOC with the highest ranked team in the 2012 World Team Championships with two (2) qualified players will be supplemented with a player from the Team Quota to form a team of three (3) players.
      c) For continents where no NOC has two (2) players qualified in singles, the NOC with the highest ranked team in the 2012 World Team Championships with one (1) qualified player through any of the Olympic qualification methods will be supplemented with two (2) players from the Team Quota to form a team of three (3) players.

      If the jurisdiction of an NOC covers more than one ITTF affiliated member, the ranking of the highest ranked affiliated member of that NOC in the 2012 World Team Championships will be taken into account for qualification purposes. It is not necessary for all affiliated members of the NOC to participate in the 2012 World Team Championships.

      2. Host NOC direct entry: 1 team

      In each Team event, the host NOC is guaranteed one (1) direct entry. If the host NOC entry has not been selected as the Continental Quota, the necessary number of places from the Team Quota will be allocated to complete the team.

      3. Remaining teams: 9 (10 if the host NOC is qualified by continental quota)

      The remaining teams will qualify based on the following principles:
      NOCs with three (3) players qualified through any of the Olympic qualification methods before the Final World Qualification Tournament.
      If more than 9 (or 10) teams can be formed in this manner, then the top 9 (or 10) teams according to the final ranking of the 2012 World Team Championships will qualify.
      If less than 9 (or 10) teams can be formed in this manner, then NOCs with three (3) players qualified through any of the Olympic qualification methods after the Final World Qualification Tournament will be taken into consideration first and, finally, if the Team Quota is still not filled, NOCs with two (2) players qualified through any of the Olympic qualification methods will be supplemented with one (1) player from the Team Quota to form teams of three (3) players, following the final ranking of the 2012 World Team Championships, until the quota of 9 (or 10) teams is completed.
      If the Team Quota is filled using less than the fourteen (14) quota places for men and the fourteen (14) quota places for women, the remaining quota places will be added to the Final World Qualification Tournament and to the Olympic singles events.


      HOST COUNTRY REPRESENTATION

      The host NOC shall directly qualify one (1) athlete per gender if not already qualified by ranking or by continental qualification.
      In each team event, the host NOC is guaranteed one (1) direct entry. If the host NOC entry has not been selected as the continental quota, the necessary number of places from the Team Quota will be allocated to complete the team.
      TRIPARTITE COMMISSION PLACES
      Two (2) Tripartite Commission Invitation Places (one per gender) are made available for eligible NOCs.
      On 1 November 2011, the International Olympic Committee will contact all those NOCs who are eligible to apply for Tripartite Commission Invitation Places.
      The deadline for NOCs to submit their requests for Tripartite Commission Invitation Places is 16 January 2012. In relation to the end of the qualification period, the Tripartite Commission will confirm, in writing, the allocation of invitation places to the respective NOCs before 30 May 2012.
      Detailed information on Tripartite Invitation places is contained in the – Tripartite Commission Invitation Places - Information Paper for NOCs – which is included in the Games of the XXX Olympiad, London 2012 Qualification and Participation Criteria.

      E. Confirmation process for quota places CONFIRMATION PROCESS FOR QUOTA PLACES
      After each qualification event, the Continental Federations will notify the ITTF of the list of the names of qualified players for the respective continent.
      After each qualification event, the ITTF will inform the respective NOC/NF of the player(s) that have qualified. The NOCs will have two weeks from the date that the qualification was confirmed by the ITTF to confirm or reject the quota place(s).
      Following the conclusion of the Final World Qualification event, and by 30 May 2012 at the latest, the ITTF will confirm in writing to NOCs/NFs the remaining names of all qualified players and teams. By 15 June 2012, NOCs/NFs must submit to the ITTF the names of all participating players and teams, and by 30 June 2012, the ITTF will confirm the final allocation of all quota places.

      F. Reallocation of unused quota places REALLOCATION OF UNUSED IF QUOTA PLACES

      SINGLES EVENTS
      1. ITTF World Ranking List
      Any unused quota places obtained through the ITTF World Ranking List will be reallocated to the next best ranked athlete, not yet qualified, of the same gender according to the ITTF World Ranking.
      2. Continental Qualification Tournaments
      Any unused quota places obtained at the Continental Qualification Tournaments will be reallocated to the next best eligible athlete of the same gender and continent, not yet qualified, according to the event where the place was obtained.
      If the continental quotas are not filled by the start of the Final World Qualification Tournament, the available quota places will be filled by increasing the number of quota places available at the Final World Qualification Tournament.
      3. Final World Qualification Tournament
      Any unused quota place obtained at the Final World Qualification Tournament will be reallocated to the next best eligible athlete of the same gender, not yet qualified, from the Final World Qualification Tournament.

      TEAM EVENTS
      1. Continental quota
      Unused Team Quota places from the Continental quota will be allocated to the next eligible team from the same Continent following the final ranking of the 2012 World Team Championships. In the case of unused Continental quota, the place will be allocated to the next Continental quota team by order of ranking as established in the section “Team Selection”.
      2. Remaining teams
      Any unused quota places for the remaining teams will be reallocated to the next best eligible team, not yet qualified, according the final ranking of the 2012 World Team Championships, by order of ranking as established in the section “Team Selection”.

      REALLOCATION OF UNUSED HOST COUNTRY PLACES
      If the host NOC direct entry place is already filled through ranking or by continental qualification, then one (1) additional place will be added to the Final World Qualification event.

      REALLOCATION OF UNUSED TRIPARTITE COMMISSION PLACES
      Any unused places within the reserved quota of places will be reallocated by the Tripartite Commission.
      Should the Tripartite Commission not be able to allocate the place(s), they will be reallocated to the next best ranked player/s, according to the ITTF World Ranking list (which will be published following the 2011 World Championships in Rotterdam) from an NOC without any player qualified.

      G. Qualification timeline DATE MILESTONE
      31 December 2010 - Continental Federations determine the Continental Qualification Tournaments for Singles
      January 2011 - ITTF announces the Continental Qualification tournaments
      16 May 2011 - ITTF World Ranking list published following the 2011 World Championships qualifying first 28 players from the list
      1 June 2011 – 22 April 2012 - Continental Qualification process
      1 November 2011 - IOC will contact all NOCs who are eligible to apply for Tripartite Commission Invitation Places
      16 January 2012 - Deadline for NOCs to submit their requests for Tripartite Commission Invitation Places
      May 2012 -
       Final World Qualification Tournament
       Host NOC to confirm the use of Host Country quota places
       Final teams selection
      1 May – 9 July 2012 - The Tripartite Commission will confirm, in writing, the allocation of Invitation places to the NOCs
      30 June 2012 - ITTF to confirm the final allocation of all quota places
      9 July 2012 - Deadline for London 2012 Organising Committee to receive entry forms

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      Quote Originally Posted by PlasmaLight View Post
      i read it too this morning. sounds like the carpet fall. ma long and zhang jike will go
      Wow... Impartial Liu go Liang! I like him!
      But yeah as Azlan said, injuries can always happen!
      Also true that a maximun of 3 per nation wiould solve Liu Go Liang dilemma for sure.

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      Wow, thanks for the info Azlan. So that means that Wang Hao and Zhang Jike's singles spots were already safe after the WTTC?

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      Quote Originally Posted by WiWa View Post
      Wow, thanks for the info Azlan. So that means that Wang Hao and Zhang Jike's singles spots were already safe after the WTTC?
      i dont think so. imagine wang hao fails in 2012 and ma lin starts a comeback. so he could maybe get the spot

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      Quote Originally Posted by PlasmaLight View Post
      i dont think so. imagine wang hao fails in 2012 and ma lin starts a comeback. so he could maybe get the spot
      Well if the spots are automatically assigned by ranking, they don't get to choose their representatives. I meant this part:

      1. ITTF World Ranking Qualification
      The top twenty-eight (28) eligible players on the first ITTF World Ranking published following the 2011 World Championships to be held in Rotterdam (Netherlands), from 8 to 15 of May 2011 will be qualified, with a maximum of two (2) players per NOC.

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