Japan Open 2018

jawien · Jun 9, 2018

tabletennisuk said:
Yet got hammered by Pitchford twice 3-0? He had an awful Team World Cup by his already high standards. Today he played incredible table tennis. Nothing to do with the ball. Ma Long has been untouchable. If anything, the results prove it’s actually Harimoto struggling with the ball, not Ma Long?

Not at all. ML could spin the celluloid in every possible direction you can possibly imagine. One needed to have a great physical strength for this. Such game was never a part of Tomo's.

Musa · Jun 9, 2018

We should give credit to where it’s deserved! Harimoto played well today!!

tabletennisuk · Jun 9, 2018

jawien said:
Not at all. ML could spin the celluloid in every possible direction you can possibly imagine. One needed to have a great physical strength for this. Such game was never a part of Tomo's.

But hang on, as has already been pointed out, Ma Long’s dominance has been in the plastic ball era? He is the master with it! How can a ball now be the reason for his loss!?

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ping fun · Jun 9, 2018

jawien said:
Well ... Ma was pretty dominant since 2011 a guess ... his first W. Champ was 2015 (was the new plastic there already?) It was always a discussion back then, who is better ZJK (even the titles he has won) or ML. I think it was ZJK's luck 2011 London etc. that it was ML who had to play Wang Hao in the semis ... well but it's all history. Jike deserved his titles like Harimoto deserved his win today.
Don't get me wrong but it's quite symptomatic for me that those very young players like Hirano, Ito, Harimoto (there are some others not from JP) started getting those results specially after the introduction of poly.

Wang hao was a prey for a better player , who could win him , could have beautiful titles , not pro tours . So nvr call it luck which is ridiculous . The better player didnt lose to wang hao . Its the case . Also these two faced in 2014 and the winner was jike . So I can say whatever I sais was a paranthesis to your comment . The end
To your explanations .

Andy44 · Jun 9, 2018

Seemed to me Ma Long spent the first three games trying to prove he could beat Harimoto at his own game. Very stubborn, didn't want to let Harimoto push him back. The match swung in his favor when he finally did take a step back from the table, but too many loose shots in the final game ended the come back. That's the best and most forcefully I've seen Harimoto play. He clearly had the edge in speed close to the table, in the return game, and most surprisingly in the short game where Ma Long wasn't up to his usual standards.

yuri.saldon · Jun 9, 2018

People on the internet must be studied. A week ago when ma long crush fan zhendong he wasn't a dad who not care about TT anymore or not so adapt to ABS ball.

Come on upsets happens, the kid played superb. Now we have to wait and watch the next encounters between this two.

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Musa · Jun 9, 2018

Ma long vs Harimoto

The victory is good for both Ma long and Tomo! For Tomo it’s a motivation that everything is possible and the future could be his!
For Ma long it’s a wake up call to up his game and work on some tactics here and there! It’s good the defeat came at a pro tour event! Such defeats are what make Legends Immortal!
Remember Ma long came back stronger after losing the World Cup in 2014! We should accept defeat!

Congrats to both anyways

jawien · Jun 9, 2018

tabletennisuk said:
But hang on, as has already been pointed out, Ma Long’s dominance has been in the plastic ball era? He is the master with it! How can a ball now be the reason for his loss!?

Please read what I wrote: "But imho using good old celluloid balls the power of ML's fh would be a grater obstacle for young players like Harimoto ..." - a "greater obstacle", I didn't say it was a definite reason for the loss. Would it be harder for Tomokazu to beat ML with cell ... imho I think yes - mainly because of the importance of spin.

jawien · Jun 9, 2018

ping fun said:
Wang hao was a prey for a better player , who could win him , could have beautiful titles , not pro tours . So nvr call it luck which is ridiculous . The better player didnt lose to wang hao . Its the case . Also these two faced in 2014 and the winner was jike . So I can say whatever I sais was a paranthesis to your comment . The end
To your explanations .

Just check their head to head ...

RidTheKid · Jun 9, 2018

I agree, although it stings atm

You learn more from a loss than a win.

ML looked slightly nonchalant today, I think CNT will go to overtime to study TH and how to beat him.

Musa said:
The victory is good for both Ma long and Tomo! For Tomo it’s a motivation that everything is possible and the future could be his!
For Ma long it’s a wake up call to up his game and work on some tactics here and there! It’s good the defeat came at a pro tour event! Such defeats are what make Legends Immortal!
Remember Ma long came back stronger after losing the World Cup in 2014! We should accept defeat!

Congrats to both anyways

tabletennisuk · Jun 9, 2018

jawien said:
Please read what I wrote: "But imho using good old celluloid balls the power of ML's fh would be a grater obstacle for young players like Harimoto ..." - a "greater obstacle", I didn't say it was a definite reason.

Well then the argument is pointless!? If we are going to say Ma Long’s forehand would be better if it was more powerful like with the old ball, we might as well say Timo’s serves would be better if he could hide the ball like he used to when it was allowed, or that Joo Sae Hyuk’s game would be more of an “obstacle” if he could go back to playing in the days when you could play with two of the same colour rubber?

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ping fun · Jun 9, 2018

jawien said:
Just check their head to head ...

They didnt send zjk to olympic by head to head . Search why they sent him

ping fun · Jun 9, 2018

Musa said:
The victory is good for both Ma long and Tomo! For Tomo it’s a motivation that everything is possible and the future could be his!
For Ma long it’s a wake up call to up his game and work on some tactics here and there! It’s good the defeat came at a pro tour event! Such defeats are what make Legends Immortal!
Remember Ma long came back stronger after losing the World Cup in 2014! We should accept defeat!

Congrats to both anyways

I m sure ma long will work and train more to find why he lost . I guess it will be the last time ma long lost to harimoto

langel · Jun 9, 2018

Common, man, stop pay attention to hypothetical absurds.
If my grandmother have had balls, grandfather she would be.

jawien · Jun 9, 2018

tabletennisuk said:
Well then the argument is pointless!? If we are going to say Ma Long’s forehand would be better if it was more powerful like with the old ball, we might as well say Timo’s serves would be better if he could hide the ball like he used to when it was allowed, or that Joo Sae Hyuk’s game would be more of an “obstacle” if he could go back to playing in the days when you could play with two of the same colour rubber?

Sure, but we just concentrated on the cell and ploy issue which is common for both players right?

zeio · Jun 9, 2018

tabletennisuk · Jun 9, 2018

jawien said:
Sure, but we just concentrated on the cell and ploy issue which is common for both players right?

I still don’t buy it. Harimoto would have put thousands of hours of practice in with the celluloid ball as he was growing up. It is these hours that have formed the foundations of his game? I just don’t buy that the ball had any sort of impact. None whatsoever.

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Shifu · Jun 9, 2018

The ABS ball came to the world tour last year, there’s a big difference between ABS and CA and yes, I think it is one of the reasons why the Chinese seem to perform worse. LGL‘s departure is another factor for example.

ping fun · Jun 9, 2018

where is carl ???? He should have been here ....

UpSideDownCarl · Jun 9, 2018

I say Harimoto should retire. He is doing worse and worse these days.

Maybe Ma Long looked at the draw and decided it was more advantageous to lose!

Good thing Chinese Government took care of all the problems LGL was causing for the entire world of TT.

Say, is that the goon squad over there? Gotta Go!

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