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    Waldner stats vs Chinese

    Hello,Im from Russia (sorry for not good english). Im very interested in Waldner career. Have you any info of stats head-to-head record of Jan Ove with other great players,such as:
    Wan Liqin,Ma Lin,Kong,Liu Guolang,Wang Hao (junior),Boll,Samsonov,Ma Long...
    If it is true,that record Waldner-Persson is 49-51?? Amazing!
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    The thing about Waldner is, his record against the other top players from his generation was never that great in general, but in the big matches its a different story.

    I remember seeing him get destroyed by Samsonov in the rounds of the team event at the Manchester World Champs. Only for him to then make Samsonov look like a boy in the final!

    Quite simply the best big occasion player ever.


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    Hi buddy, if you go to http://www.ittf.com/competitions/mat...sp?P_ID=109931, you may find some of his results there.
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    Im afraid thats just not what he ment
    I think he is interested just in those matches before 2002

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    1990 World Cup Waldner SWE
    1992 Olympics Waldner SWE
    1996 European Waldner SWE
    1997 World Waldner SWE
    These are the big ones that Waldner won, but I can't remember who he played against. Sorry buddy, there were no internet back then..
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    1983 Wins first Swedish title
    1986, 1988 European Champion Men's Table Tennis Doubles Team
    1986, 1988, 1990, 1992 European Champion Men's Table Tennis Team
    1989 World Champion Men's Table Tennis Team
    1989 Wins first World Singles title
    1991 World Champion Men's Table Tennis Team
    1992 Wins Olympic Gold medal
    1993 World Champion Men's Table Tennis Team
    1996 Wins European Championship
    1997 Wins second World Singles title
    1997 Ranks number one in the world
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    legend.....

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    It's not really fair to show a head-to-head results for Waldner vs Wang Hao, Ma Long etc. They're in a different generation.
    However, if Waldner in his prime played against Ma Long in his prime, I still believe Ma Long would win easily.
    Of course Waldner was (and still is) a legend, but too much has changed.

    Although, maybe if they used a 38mm ball...

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    and 5 serves each and played to 21 with green tables and old black bicycle rubber glue and orange balls of course, well we could just have a scrap on
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    TTGuru.. fair or not..
    I think this guys just wants to see some statistics..
    In fact, I think I would love to see them too!
    Results from Pro tours back then .. but where can we find it? Can we?

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    Extremely difficult to find Michal. I for one am very interested to know...but I am not willing to give up. I am sure it's in the web, somewhere.....
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    Maybe ITTF has the official archive? Could be hard tho.
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    Hahahahahha at last!!!! I found this interview with J.O. Waldner. The results below is from his interview. I will post the interview on a new thread. I did my best to translate and make sense of the interview..though some of his answers I couldn't make any sense out of them.

    Liu Guoliang 4-5. Waldner lost the 1st 5 matches against him, and won the last 4. Waldner also said that LGL was the player he feared the most, especially his serve. After he figured out how Liu played, Waldner won the 4 matches.

    Kong Linghui. Waldner couldn't remember the stats exactly, but he said Kong beat him the 1st time they met. Then he won quite a bit in a row before losing to him again in The World Team Championship in 2000.

    Wang Liqin EVEN. It's even with him he said. Wang was really young then. However, he lost the last 2, once just before the Olympics 2004, and in the 2004 Olympics. Wang was at the peak of his game then he said.

    Ma Lin. He can't remember how many times they played, but Waldner is very sure that Ma Lin is way ahead. Waldner said, after he figured out LGL game, he had a lot of problems with Ma Lin.

    Cai Zhenhua 2-2. EVEN
    Chen Longcan 7-10 TRAILING
    Chen Zhibin 3-2 AHEAD
    Guo Yuehua 0-2 TRAILING
    Jiang Jialiang 4-8 TRAILING
    Ma Wenge 19-5 WAAAY AHEAD
    Teng Yi 23-7 WAAAY AHEAD
    Wang Tao 5-1 AHEAD
    Li Gunsang 9-3 AHEAD
    Kim Taek Soo 12-11 AHEAD,ONLY JUST
    Yoo Namkyu 9-2 AHEAD
    Kim Song Hui 11-4 AHEAD
    JP Gatien 22-11 AHEAD
    Andrzei Grubba 41-20 AHEAD
    Tibor Klampar 8-1 AHEAD
    Zoran Primorac 20-13 AHEAD
    Jörg Rosskopf 22-11 AHEAD
    JM Saive 26-21 AHEAD
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    Awesome find Azlan!!!

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    Chen Zhibin is the current Dutch national womens team coach. I didn't know he played at that level and beat Waldner xD

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    I'm sure there are a few more that beat him, but during that interview, he only remembered those I stated above. Maybe Chen Zhibin wasn't one of those memorable matches. hehehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by azlan
    Hahahahahha at last!!!! I found this interview with J.O. Waldner. The results below is from his interview. I will post the interview on a new thread. I did my best to translate and make sense of the interview..though some of his answers I couldn't make any sense out of them.

    Liu Guoliang 4-5. Waldner lost the 1st 5 matches against him, and won the last 4. Waldner also said that LGL was the player he feared the most, especially his serve. After he figured out how Liu played, Waldner won the 4 matches.

    Kong Linghui. Waldner couldn't remember the stats exactly, but he said Kong beat him the 1st time they met. Then he won quite a bit in a row before losing to him again in The World Team Championship in 2000.

    Wang Liqin EVEN. It's even with him he said. Wang was really young then. However, he lost the last 2, once just before the Olympics 2004, and in the 2004 Olympics. Wang was at the peak of his game then he said.

    Ma Lin. He can't remember how many times they played, but Waldner is very sure that Ma Lin is way ahead. Waldner said, after he figured out LGL game, he had a lot of problems with Ma Lin.

    Cai Zhenhua 2-2. EVEN
    Chen Longcan 7-10 TRAILING
    Chen Zhibin 3-2 AHEAD
    Guo Yuehua 0-2 TRAILING
    Jiang Jialiang 4-8 TRAILING
    Ma Wenge 19-5 WAAAY AHEAD
    Teng Yi 23-7 WAAAY AHEAD
    Wang Tao 5-1 AHEAD
    Li Gunsang 9-3 AHEAD
    Kim Taek Soo 12-11 AHEAD,ONLY JUST
    Yoo Namkyu 9-2 AHEAD
    Kim Song Hui 11-4 AHEAD
    JP Gatien 22-11 AHEAD
    Andrzei Grubba 41-20 AHEAD
    Tibor Klampar 8-1 AHEAD
    Zoran Primorac 20-13 AHEAD
    Jörg Rosskopf 22-11 AHEAD
    JM Saive 26-21 AHEAD
    Thanks Azlan, great info!!
    Waldner is to table tennis what Pele is to football!
    but China is Brazil!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waldner4ever
    Thanks Azlan, great info!!
    Waldner is to table tennis what Pele is to football!
    but China is Brazil!!!!
    Nah, China wins everything, Brazil doesn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Guru
    It's not really fair to show a head-to-head results for Waldner vs Wang Hao, Ma Long etc. They're in a different generation.
    However, if Waldner in his prime played against Ma Long in his prime, I still believe Ma Long would win easily.
    Of course Waldner was (and still is) a legend, but too much has changed.

    Although, maybe if they used a 38mm ball...
    If the current Ma Long is born same period as Waldner, I doubt he know how to do both Fh and BH loop style lol.

    Waldner is believed to be one of those european who either develope or become familiar with the attack from both wing nowadays. I remember I read from some chinese article, the China send KLH to europe to learn this during the young age. So that time, KLH has also some what known as chinese product of Walner >.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiWa
    Nah, China wins everything, Brazil doesn't
    That is very true Viwa! but I meant that it is like a factory of good players

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