From Korbel to Viscaria a big step up?

Hi buddies, I need your help please: would be an upgrade from Korbel to Viscaria too big?

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By the way i was a beginner last year and this I grew up a lot, I was using a yasaka Sweden extra with 2 med soft euro (LKT rapid soft & victas Limber 15) rubbers, and after 2 mid hard not tensor (Yinhe mercury 3 & Venus 2) rubbers, and after with 2 tensor rubbers (MX-P & Gold Arc 8) , and certainly is a very good blade, but I felt is inoffensive since the blade is not fast as I would like, even with the footwork and using whole my body, my shots are spinnier and a little bit faster, but it doesn't worth against experienced players.

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I'm playing with a Korbel (H3 neo FH & MX-P BH) which I like it very much, it feels clearly every hit, I'm in a club and I train just 4 hs per week, so I don't have enough time to do drills, reflex working, footwork, etc.
So I would like to step up from Korbel to Viscaria and change from Chinese rubber to euro rubbers (MX-P FH & Gold Arc 8 47,5 BH) the reason is clear, I need to effort with Chinese rubbers and the consequences are many contractures and pain, but I don't want to lose the very spinny short service which I can do only with the h3n, with the MX-P is spinny but not as short and spinny and h3n, because the 40% of my services are points.

I think use the Viscaria to get faster shots without lose control and add speed and spin.But I'm not sure. Can you help me please?

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chintanmashroo said:

Hey Dominus,

Korbel is indeed a great blade and requires a technique if you use a chinese rubber. Once you excel in your technique you will not want to change your FH rubber EVER!

However, I would still recommend you to stick with either blade or rubber setup and consider upgrading either of ‘em

Recommendation 1:
Korbel
Mxp (FH)
Mxp (BH)

On the other hand, if you are considering to change the blade, Viscaria is definitely not the one you are looking for.
Why not?
1. Viscaria is a composite blade and Korbel is a wooden one which means you will lose all the feedback you get from the blade while hitting.

2. Outer ply in Viscaria is Koto which is a hard wood, whereas in Korbel its Limba which is a soft wood, which means the ball will remain low when you hit/loop the ball resulting in a technique change

What to do?
Get a good woody feeling blade which is faster than Korbel

Recommendation:
- Innerforce layer ZLF
- Liu Shiwen ZLF
- DHS Hurricane Long 3
- OSP Virtuoso Off+
- Nittaku Hurricane Long 7

All of them pairs well with MXP and Hurricane rubbers

Cheers


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I was thinking about to change blade but without change rubbers, MX-P both sides is an excel option, but I was thinking about change rubbers to Korbel, since that you told me, what do you think in MX-P to FH and gold Arc 8 47,5 to BH or 50 deg ? It's less spinnier and less springier than MX-P, so I think could be more comfortable, am I wrong?

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chintanmashroo said:

I’ve tried gold arc 8 on a Xiom Feel ZX3 which is a top notch hinoki composite blade and it worked well with it. I could easily pulloff those killer topspin points at 5th ball attack.

I do not know how will it work with Korbel because of its springy nature.

Are you uncomfortable with MXP on both sides? Or you just feel to experiment/try gold arc 8 based on user reviews?


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I feel MX-P for backhand is very good, but sometimes when I block the springiness oblige me to do a passive block because I'm afraid the ball goes away from the table. But flick, push and smash are very effective and aggressive, that's why, I was thinking about EL-P which is a very good option too but I think it's heavier than ga8

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2 mm each. Sorry I didn't clarified before.

chintanmashroo said:

May I know what rubber thickness are you playing with?


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The use of viscaria is not for permanent playing, do not offend but I've written just for win to the experienced players, because the speed is not enough even when my shots are well placed, I like my Korbel a lot, but sometimes I feel it lacks speed, I know about the footworking and that I should to train more, for faster and spinnier kill ball, but remember as I said just train 4 hs per week, and personally I don't find is a enough time to develop solidly whole my game. I'm not perfect and I commit many mistakes yet, I played with a viscaria with fast Arc g1 both sides two months ago and I won to guys which last year left me 11:2 so I was amazed about the blade. And the main reason is because the speed more than the spin

Andy44 said:

Another vote for changing one thing at a time. If you want to keep your short spinny serve without a major technique adjustment, then I'd strongly recommend staying with h3n. So keep the rubber and change the blade. I think Korbel to Viscaria is a perfectly reasonable step up in terms of speed, but even so the feel of koto/alc is very different from limba. As Baal said, you'll need patience before regaining control of your serves and short game.

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Fabian said:

You were a beginner last year and now want to play with a Viscaria + fast Tensor combination? Either you are the next Harimoto or you overestimate your skills.
Usually people switch to those blades with fast rubbers after years of training.

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Nop, as i said above I won't stay in the off blade, least with tensor rubber, I am not stupid, I know will be uncontrollable for me, on the long shots, and I'll lose the short service, I just want to win the most experienced player which play very fast, I know the blade it's not magic and I will win just for use it, this goal I want to accomplish it in December, as a last time.

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I know I was a disaster last year, and I know I need too much training to be a decent player, but this year and the last are different, last year I didn't have any goal, just played for play, no intention to win, no strategy, just a way to relax after working, and I realised if i don't have any target I won't develop faster and and better techniques, but this is other topic, fortunately I can land more than 3 shots in the table (5) haha.
I really appreciate about your advice to play with a sweden extra with 2 mark V, those helped and made me get easier about the feeling and getting better the stroke, but when I play against experienced player, they can control most of my kill ball, so it becomes inoffensive, and it's very frustrating.

UpSideDownCarl said:

Dominus, can you post updated footage. The last time you posted video, out of 3 matches and footage of slow multiball with coach, you did not seem to be able to land 3 shots in a row on the table. Are you sure you are ready to play with a blade that has that much harder of a top ply.

A Viscaria is very different than the blades you have been using.

I would like to see some recent footage. But based on the last time I saw footage, I would say, stick with an an All+ blade at fastest.

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