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      Ma Long is the best player in the world

      Why is the ITTF system getting it wrong over and over? Ma Long is the best. We all know that.

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      How do you define him the best player over what period of time ?

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      In other news, the sky is still blue.

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      I think liam pitchford is the best

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      The amazing 15 year history of Ma Long:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Long_(table_tennis)
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      It's because ITTF want top chinese players to play more.

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      I think Waldner was better.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ilia Minkin View Post
      I think Waldner was better.
      I mean right now. It sure would have been great to see Waldner and Ma Long, seven games ending at 10 to 9

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      oh no !! I think Zhang Jike is the best ... no no I changed my mind ... Fan Zhendong .. its Fan Zhendong ... wait ... it could be Xu Xin ... no I think its Harimoto ... lets make them all Number 1 .. go to hell ITTF .. why can't you make all the players we love number one .. screw your system and what you are trying to do !!
      Lets go Spinny Looping !

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      Quote Originally Posted by WorkerBee View Post
      Why is the ITTF system getting it wrong over and over? Ma Long is the best. We all know that.
      The ITTF system is not "getting it wrong". The system is a measurement. Like all measurements, it calculates something based on the input it is given. Plus, it measures in one unit, not in some other. Just like, calculating weight and calculating mass are two measures which apply to different things.

      If you want the ITTF system to measure who is "the best", then you'll have to give them the criteria upon which the measurement has to be made. Do you want "the best of all time", or do you want "the best taking into account all matches played in the past week"? The current system uses results over a twelve month period (plus from specific majors in the last two years) to calculate their achievements. It produces a ranking, which only approximates who is most likely to win in a given match up. It does not attempt to calculate who is "the best".

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      Ma Long's 8 best results of the last year:

      Year/Month Player Assoc Tournament Total Points Final Pos.
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      5 10 15 20 25 30 50 100
      Total: 7
      2017-05 MA Long CHN 2017 - World Table Tennis Championships, Dusseldorf (GER) 3000 Winner
      2018-05 MA Long CHN 2018 - World Tour, China Open, Shenzhen (CHN) 2250 Winner
      2018-03 MA Long CHN 2018 - World Tour, German Open, Bremen (GER) 2250 Winner
      2017-10 MA Long CHN 2017 - Men's World Cup, Liege (BEL) 2040 3rd Place
      2018-04 MA Long CHN 2018 - World Team Table Tennis Championships, Halmstad (SWE) 1500 Team
      2018-06 MA Long CHN 2018 - World Tour, Japan Open, Kitakyushu (JPN) 1260 QF
      2018-02 MA Long CHN 2018 - Team World Cup, London (ENG) 1200 Team
      Please notice: of the top 10 players, Ma Long is the only player who does not have 8 results for his top 8 results in the past 12 months. Ma Long only has 7.

      BTW: I believe FZD had 12 or 13 results from which to choose his top 8 results. That gives him a big advantage to drop 4 or 5 of his results that were not as stellar.

      It is also worth noting that Ma Long's bottom 3 results: 1500, 1260 and 1200....all three of those are quite a bit lower than FZD's bottom 3 results: 1876, 1800 and 1800. Where he was able to drop weaker results like the 1200 ML got from the Team World Cup that Ma Long has listed because he has nothing else to replace it.

      So, the real question is: why does Ma Long not even have 8 results in the past year. Why doesn't Ma Long have 12 or 13 results so he can drop the weaker point scores?

      Think about it.
      Last edited by UpSideDownCarl; 08-04-2018 at 08:33 AM.
      Spin Everything.

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      Even in direct combat champion decider sports like boxing, the champion has to defend his title, otherwise it would be claimed vacant and the pretenders will fight for it.
      To pretend to be the best you have to prove it on regular bases, "best" is neither a profession, nor a lifetime right.

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      Quote Originally Posted by langel View Post
      Even in direct combat champion decider sports like boxing, the champion has to defend his title, otherwise it would be claimed vacant and the pretenders will fight for it.
      that's an interesting point

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      Quote Originally Posted by Loopadoop View Post
      How do you define him the best player over what period of time ?
      Since about 2014 ... : )

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      In all sports players are ranked by their statistical results for the year, baseball, basketball, football, track, soccer, etc.

      Edit addition

      A player needs a minimum of participation to be ranked in all the above sports.
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      "the real question is: why does Ma Long not even have 8 results in the past year. Why doesn't Ma Long have 12 or 13 results so he can drop the weaker point scores?" - Carl

      Maybe marriage and a baby.
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      Quote Originally Posted by WorkerBee View Post
      "the real question is: why does Ma Long not even have 8 results in the past year. Why doesn't Ma Long have 12 or 13 results so he can drop the weaker point scores?" - Carl

      Maybe marriage and a baby.
      Ok, so currently he is fighting for the "best husband&father title" rather than "best TT player".
      And the ranking system matched this accordingly.
      So where is the problem?

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      Quote Originally Posted by langel View Post
      Ok, so currently he is fighting for the "best husband&father title" rather than "best TT player".
      And the ranking system matched this accordingly.
      So where is the problem?
      I have no problem with Ma Long being 7th in the current system, but if there was a WTTC, say in a month time. Who would you bet your 1000$ on? Wouldn't you go with good old Ma anyway ...
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      Actually the current system, doesn't favor the CNT, if they are restricting their pro tour participation, since it causes them to meet fellow teammates in the early rounds.

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      New system doesn't favour anyone. It's bad for CNT because the top players have to play more (more chance of injury) and because top players have to play more the 'second tier' CNT players have less chance to come out and perform.

      It's bad for other players because despite the fact they'll be seeded high in tournaments it increases their chance of meeting a top Chinese player in the early rounds.

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