Blade Builders Thread

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Hi TTD.

I want to consolidate all the blade builders valuable infomations to one thread so it is easy to find the information if a member want to throw himself/herself into making their own blade.

bobplus (Robert) - Create you own blade
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?11808-Create-your-own-blade

GinjaNinja (Alan) - Homemade table tennis blade
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?14416-Homemade-table-tennis-blade

AfroBro - AfroBro's Handmade Blades
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?17820-Afrobro-s-Handmade-Blades

MDP - Handcrafted Blade By MDP
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?15268-Handcrafted-blades-by-MDP

cfagyal - Journey of a new blade maker
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?16859-Journey-of-a-new-blade-maker

Questions answered by builders
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?17623-Question-for-Blade-Builders

If any is forgotten please PM me and I will add.
 
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For a long time I wanted to try build a blade by myself and like many other projects - the question is where to start?

Fortunately the forum has a lot of threads of many good bladebuilders who have been so kindly to share their knowledge and experience on how to approach building a blade. I would to thank those persons and I think you know who you are! :)
Being a craftsman I asked myself “How hard can it be making a table tennis blade?”.
With the high prices that popular brands have, I wanted to try replicate the DHS W968 which is one the blades I have been most happy to play with since picking up TT again.

Sourcing materials for the blade
The DHS W968 has the composition of Limba-Ayous-ALC-Ayous-ALC-Ayous-Limba.
I managed to find the materials I needed through Taobao.com (chinese ebay) and got a friend to buy and send items to me. (Thanks a lot!). I was lucky to find two type of colors of the ALC namely blue color like the BTF and white color like DHS. The material thickness’ I used are Limba(0.6mm)-Ayous(0.6mm)-ALC(0.3mm)-Ayous(3.0mm).

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From left to right: Ayous core, ALC white, ALC blue, Limba outer ply and Ayous intermediate ply.

The process of laminating the venners and composite material is a crucial process on the playing characteristics of the blade. Choosing which type of glue and matrix for the ALC fibers is a big question itself. Some builders choose to use a D2 standard PVA glue for the wood veneers because it is easy to apply and others use hide glue to get more feel. The con’s of using hide glue it is difficult to work with due to, you have to heat the glue up to its working temperature which is around 60-65 degree celcius and the work time with the glue is rather short when applying the glue to the venners due to it tends to gel up. I used an old jam glass jar and measured 50g of granular hide glue and added some water so that the hide glue is covered. It let it soak for an hour so that the granular was fully dissolved.
The matrix glue is a epoxy with resin and hardner which is mixed in a ratio of 1:2.

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NB: Don’t use colored plastic bags as protection. The color will come off the bag and on to your blade!

I decided to use the same production method as TTD member bobplus (Robert) did, using a router on a table with a flush router bit to cut and for the blade and handle and a 9.5mm rounding router bit for the handle both with bearings that can run along the template when cutting. You can find bobplus’ videos on his thread https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?11808-Create-your-own-blade

Instead of buying a table for the router I made a DYI table for the job.
It’s basically a 18mm hobby table plate where I use the plane plate of the router as a template to drill the holes for the screws holding the router and afterwards when the router is mounted on the table I drilled the center hole with a large router bit.

Here is a video of how it is done. Sorry for the loong unorganized video.


To make a similar blade as the DHS W968 I needed a template to cut out a blade with an identical size. I started out with designing a template from a free hand sketch where I made points as function of the length so I could make the template in a 3D CAD program. I got a local workshop to make the template for me with their laser cutter and the result was almost identical to the W968. The wings were a bit off, but not something a bit of grinding could correct. I was not quite satisfied with the laser cutted template so I decided to take one of the handle cups off my W968 to cut a new template of the blade and my findings was that the W968 is a WRB blade. Also I needed a template to make the flared handle template that would fit the my custom blade. So it was like a win/win situation.

Cutting the new template.
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Finished cutting my first blade.
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Laser cutted and router cutted templates on top of each other.
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Routing the blade is a bit tricky. I experienced that it’s really important to have some router bits that are good and sharp otherwise you will rip of big pieces of the laminate when routing. Perhaps purchasing a router bit that is specified to cut carbon is necessary due to it creates a lot of heat and might burn the blade when cutting. The result of burning the blade will end up in delaminating the blade which isn’t ideal.

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BE CAREFUL WHEN USING ROUTING AND REMEMBER TO TAKE YOUR
PRECAUTIONS! BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!

Blue ALC
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White ALC
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The handle is made of (starting from the top) Walnut, Ayous, Mahogany and Lime.
As I mentioned earlier I used a flush and after a 9.5mm rounding bit to do the job.
The picture is showing I had an accident with the first handle I’ve made. Again be CAREFUL!
I hired a friend from the from the forum to make me my own logo for the handle. You might guess where the the logo is from. :) The logo has a diameter of 16mm and I used a forstner drill bit to make a perfect round hole for the inlay logo. It’s made of ayous.

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Before giving the last finish with wood oil it just wanted to have some pictures of the blade.
As you can see the epoxy has bled through the top layer and the color is from the bags I had underneath. The oil I have used is from Guardian and it's a natural product for hardwoods like teak, walnut etc. Dry time is approx. 3 hours and it is fully hardened in 24 hours.

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Here is the final result - setup weight 208g with rubbers!
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Amazing post and "first" blade!

I use Alan's advice and put 2 layers of polyurethane on my outer ply to prevent epoxy bleed through, then just sand it off later. Also, I find wax paper works great as protection when gluing and pressing. Now you just need to find a way to take 10 grams off or so.
 
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Great post and really well made blade! Impressive. Picking up on Nate's point I've started to use two coats of water based varnish as it's easier to sand away and seems to be better at avoiding bleed through.
It will be interesting to see how the oil works, I used to use something similar but I prefer a thinned coat of PU varnish.
I love the look but I wonder if OSP will be checking their patent! Great stuff, I have a feeling you are about to become addicted to blade making! Or is already too late?
 
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A good looking blade for a first try! Are you pleased with how it plays?
Thanks MDP! Much appreciated. Yes I am please about how it plays good better feel and faster than my W968.
But I think the speed is due to he weight. I can feel my timing is off because the total setup I heavier than I'm used to.

Amazing post and "first" blade!

I use Alan's advice and put 2 layers of polyurethane on my outer ply to prevent epoxy bleed through, then just sand it off later. Also, I find wax paper works great as protection when gluing and pressing. Now you just need to find a way to take 10 grams off or so.
Thanks a lot Nate4s! I think I missed that advise. I might try it next time I build a composite blade.
Yeah totally agree with you shaving off some grams somehow.

Great post and really well made blade! Impressive. Picking up on Nate's point I've started to use two coats of water based varnish as it's easier to sand away and seems to be better at avoiding bleed through.
It will be interesting to see how the oil works, I used to use something similar but I prefer a thinned coat of PU varnish.
I love the look but I wonder if OSP will be checking their patent! Great stuff, I have a feeling you are about to become addicted to blade making! Or is already too late?

Thanks a million Alan! I will try it next time a build a composite blade. I will let you know how the oil work when I peel the rubbers off again. I think I'll be ok since it only for non commercial blades. It is fun to make the blades but also time consuming as I have to get rid of my tools in the workshop. It's a shared one unfortunately. I'll get back to u asap with your pm.
 
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Great thread. Nice to have a post that combines all of the different blade builder posts. Given the materials, the weight is surprising. I can only surmise that you possibly used too much epoxy resin perhaps (easy to overdo it...my first blade with composites had similar issues). Some weight techniques:

1) bake the blade at 185 degrees or so for 3-4 hours. This will eliminate some moisture and cut a few grams.
2) hollow out the handles. It seems you went from 77-80g to 108ish grams...that’s 15g per handle which is very heavy. I tend to try to stay around 10-12g per handle if I can.

I think with some measures tou could have reduced the weight by 8-12g fairly easily, though that still leaves your blade in the heavier end, though something like 96g would be much more playable long term.

I’ve been slowly working on a composite set of pictures and perhaps video(s) to show my process for building blades.
 
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Great thread. Nice to have a post that combines all of the different blade builder posts.

Well, you should add the link of this thread to the first post of this thread cause you are blade builder yourself now :) . I envy you (in a good way) and congratulations :)
 
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Hello blade builders what is your average cost to make 1 blade? Do you have a sample list of bill of materials?

It's difficult to give an exact figure as it depends on the materials. For example, ebony veneer is more expensive than koto, very light hybrid carbon is much more expensive than glass fibre. It also depends on the handle material and the glues that are to be used. Ayous is more expensive than balsa - you get the idea! It also depends if you buy in bulk and you can pick up bargains on e bay, I also like to acquire materials. For example, I found an old set of mahogany drawers in a skip the other day. The drawers were useless but the wood still good to use. It also depends on how many plys the blade has.
i would suggest an all wood blade with a standard handle would cost around 15 to 20 euros for the materials. For a composite blade you could add another 10 euros perhaps.
The major investment is time, there's a lot of gluing, cutting and sanding involved. The other cost is equipment, routers, presses, drills, sanders etc not to mention new router bits, sandpaper etc.
having said all that, it's a relatively cheap hobby and the tools involved a quite standard.
 
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Alan (GingaNinja) is correct - there are a lot of factors involved. I built a blade recently for an older gentleman I play with often, and my cost calculation for the materials for this specific blade was $7.16. Time spent is another thing...

As you'll notice, I prefer plain black walnut for handles as they play GREAT, and, this makes my handle costs (money and time) much lower than it could be if I used fancier woods or complex handle designs. This blade uses Koto and Spruce for the outer and medial plies, which aren't too costly IF you buy in bulk. My core wood for this one is Western Red Cedar, which I'm often able to find for free since they're unusable for the purposes of others at the workshop I belong to.

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Alan (GingaNinja) is correct - there are a lot of factors involved. I built a blade recently for an older gentleman I play with often, and my cost calculation for the materials for this specific blade was $7.16. Time spent is another thing...

As you'll notice, I prefer plain black walnut for handles, and this makes my handle costs (money and time) much lower than it could be if I used fancier woods or complex handle designs. This blade uses Koto and Spruce for the outer and medial plies, which aren't too costly IF you buy in bulk. My core wood for this one is Western Red Cedar, which I'm often able to find for free since they're unusable for the purposes of others at the workshop I belong to.

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That WRC looks great, not easy to get in the UK and expensive too. Also interesting is that walnut is not that cheap in the uk.
Just over 7 dollars for a blade is brilliant! I like the idea that 'underground' blademakers lutilise all the materials available. Wood is precious. I recently cut down some overhanging cherry, holly and lime from my garden, I've cut them into short planks and they are now air drying in a log store destined to be handles one day. I find this really exciting.
I think I could make a 5 ply, ayous, ayous, mahogany with a mahogany handle that would cost around £5 in materials. This is based on skip/garage finds and bargains on e bay!
 
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That WRC looks great, not easy to get in the UK and expensive too. Also interesting is that walnut is not that cheap in the uk.
Just over 7 dollars for a blade is brilliant! I like the idea that 'underground' blademakers lutilise all the materials available. Wood is precious. I recently cut down some overhanging cherry, holly and lime from my garden, I've cut them into short planks and they are now air drying in a log store destined to be handles one day. I find this really exciting.
I think I could make a 5 ply, ayous, ayous, mahogany with a mahogany handle that would cost around £5 in materials. This is based on skip/garage finds and bargains on e bay!

Yeah - it's nice to be able to put something together that's high quality, yet affordable. My walnut comes from "cut off" pieces at a woodcraft store that's about 2 hours north of me - I stop by every time I'm passing through and pick up 5 or size little boards for just a couple bucks each. My workshop is for boat-builders - so they use WRC all the time but don't have a use for the short little chunks, so they're often let me have the extra bits. Because of where I'm at on the Oregon coast, WRC is VERY accessible.

I'm excited for you for those woods to dry - how cool is it that you'll have wood handles from your own garden?!
 
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I have calculated exact costs for all of my blades, and like Nate and Alan said it is very variable based on materials. The real cost though is the startup cost of buying the equipment. And that is highly dependant on what you buy. I have spent quite a considerable amount of money on higher end equipment versus budget alternatives. For example:

Router Table + Fence + Router Lift: c. $1000
Router Table Stand: $200
Pow-r-Tek Router with remote control - $350
Rob Cosman Dovetail Saw: $250 (Used for fine cuts when creating handles)
Lie-Nielsen Block Plane: $175
Lie-Nielsen Hand Plane #3: $300
Festool Minisys Dust collector: $375

And then there are all of the various accessories, such as router bits which i have several hundred dollars into (I have exclusively Freud high end router bits, as well as a whiteside compression flush trim bit which was $160 by itself), sandpaper, etc. There are still a few things i'd like to buy but just haven't gotten around to it yet..

I know I have spent quite a bit more than some on here for equipment, but I look at it as an investment, and especially things like router bits I have noticed the difference between the higher end bits versus budget bits (My first two bits were budget bits, and I never touch them anymore, as the difference in quality of routing is significant).

And then of course there is the time. For me to fully make a blade front to back, especially if the handle is complicated, takes a good week to do (between waiting for glue-ups to set, doing the planing/sawing/routing for handle pieces, sanding, finishing, etc). Complex handles can take hours+ to get right, and I still find myself critiquing my work and seeing mistakes (Like recently I finished a simple crotch walnut burl handle from a 25.5-31.5mm template, and discovered after sanding/finishing that it ended up being a 24.5-27.5mm handle...I have no idea how I ended up removing 4mm of material during finishing!)
 
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How do you guy deal with the different thickness for the plies? Do you source the material in the dimensions you want or do you use a thickness sander or other tools?
 
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How do you guy deal with the different thickness for the plies? Do you source the material in the dimensions you want or do you use a thickness sander or other tools?

I generally use the veneers as sourced, but I use a thickness sander (and planer) for my core woods. I have a few projects where I thinned down my veneers using the thickness sander - I generally run a thick board through the sander and then lay my veneer sheet on top to keep it a perfectly uniform thickness.
 
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A drum sander would be great for cores, lucky you Nate!
I can get ayous in 2.4mm, 3.0, 3.2mm which pretty much covers all I need. Similar story for balsa but kiri is limited, 3mm, 4mm or 5mm. I do have access to a high quality planer thicknesser if I need it.
Mainly i use the veneers as sourced. One of the reasons I like douglas fir is that i can get it 0.6; 0.7 and 0.8mm which is handy. The top ply is always 0.6mm but I do sand this to about 0.5mm if it's a harder wood.
 
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