Less bouncy and more linear alternative to tenergy 80

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Hi all,

I've recently changed to HL5, and I'm using 729-08 on FH and Tenergy 80 on BH. Before T80 I've used Tenergy 05 on backhand, but as I was searching for more control I've bought T80. Although I'm happy with it, I feel more control on blocks, on loops(can be also because of the blade ofc) and I can counter loop on backhand easier, T80 it's still bouncy in this blade for me, so I was looking for a not so bouncy rubber and a more linear one. Thought on next time buy T64 but I'm afraid it feels too soft on HL5 and also still bouncy. The rubbers that I was thinking(Don't like too soft rubbers, medium or medium-hard):

- Haifu Shark III Medium ( heard that appears bubbles too often, so I'm a bit afraid to spend money on this );
- Nexy Karis M/M+( heard good opinions about this rubber );
- Stiga Mantra M ( seems the most viable option until now );
- TSP Regalis Blue.

I'm afraid to change to a tensor as every time I've tried to replace Tenergy with a tensor I didn't have a good experience, plus as people say they don't have so good durability. Decrease the thickness could be a solution also?

I'm a FH-oriented looper and lobber, that's working in playing closer to the table and using more backhand in match play!

Could you give me some advices?

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Eduardo Bagarrão
 
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I've used Nexy Karis M, Stiga Mantra M and S and TSP Regalis Red.
They are all similar, made by Daiki in Japan for the various manufacturers.

The Stiga Mantra is my favorite, it just seems a tiny bit better than the TSP in almost every respect and is also a little lighter. The 'M' version is probably a little softer than Tenergy 80, but if that's not an issue it fits all your requirements.

I thought the TSP was more similar to the older Stiga Airoc range of rubbers.

The Nexy is a bit different to play with, probably due to the short length of the pips, so takes a bit more adjustment. I remember it being particularly good for blocking, but I
preferred it on my forehand.

Nittaku Flyatt Spin is another medium hardness rubber from the same factory which might work for you, it can often be a bit cheaper than the others.

 
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I've used Nexy Karis M, Stiga Mantra M and S and TSP Regalis Red.
They are all similar, made by Daiki in Japan for the various manufacturers.

The Stiga Mantra is my favorite, it just seems a tiny bit better than the TSP in almost every respect and is also a little lighter. The 'M' version is probably a little softer than Tenergy 80, but if that's not an issue it fits all your requirements.

I thought the TSP was more similar to the older Stiga Airoc range of rubbers.

The Nexy is a bit different to play with, probably due to the short length of the pips, so takes a bit more adjustment. I remember it being particularly good for blocking, but I
preferred it on my forehand.

Nittaku Flyatt Spin is another medium hardness rubber from the same factory which might work for you, it can often be a bit cheaper than the others.


Thank you for the answer! [emoji2][emoji2][emoji2] You say Mantra M is softer than tenergy but in which aspect? The topsheet is softer? I've seen Mantra M is like 44-45 in ESN scale, it should be near the tenergy hardness.

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Please excuse me, I just didn't get what exactly you mean by bouncy - is it the trampoline effect, or the arc?
If it is the trampoline, then T80 is not "still" bouncy, as it is aimed to have more repulse than T05.
if you need flatter arc T64fx has the flattest amongst the tenergys. At the same time, speaking of BTY, the softer the rubber, the flatter the arc and the greater the trampoline /repulse/ effect. Its the same for many other rubbers, but is not obligatory for all.
Its not true at all that tensors have less lifespan than tenergy. Many tensors have much longer lifespan and generally the harder ones live longer than the softer.
And another spect - with a propper technique a player can keep flatter arc using rubbers with higher arc, but the opposite is impossible, unless you consider gravitation as an arcing factor.
 
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Thank you for the answer! [emoji2][emoji2][emoji2] You say Mantra M is softer than tenergy but in which aspect? The topsheet is softer? I've seen Mantra M is like 44-45 in ESN scale, it should be near the tenergy hardness.

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I would say that the Tenergy sponge is closer to rubbers that are labeled as 47.5 on the ESN scale, or at least the couple that I have tried have been.

Mantra M is not that far off to Tenergy hardness, but definitely on the softer side. Medium as opposed to medium/hard maybe?
 
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Please excuse me, I just didn't get what exactly you mean by bouncy - is it the trampoline effect, or the arc?
If it is the trampoline, then T80 is not "still" bouncy, as it is aimed to have more repulse than T05.
if you need flatter arc T64fx has the flattest amongst the tenergys. At the same time, speaking of BTY, the softer the rubber, the flatter the arc and the greater the trampoline /repulse/ effect. Its the same for many other rubbers, but is not obligatory for all.
Its not true at all that tensors have less lifespan than tenergy. Many tensors have much longer lifespan and generally the harder ones live longer than the softer.
And another spect - with a propper technique a player can keep flatter arc using rubbers with higher arc, but the opposite is impossible, unless you consider gravitation as an arcing factor.

Sorry, maybe I'm not explaining well, because of my english :/ I changed my blade to HL5, and this blade as a stronger trampoline feel than the blades I used to, so I thought the change to T80 from T05 could be enough to have a bit more control, decreasing the trampoline effect, but without loose spin and speed when I need. I say trampoline because I feel T05 has a more trampoline effect because of the space between pimples that makes it feel a bit harder than T80(at least this is what I feel, because I can control T80 easier). So I though a good option could be Tenergy 64, but I'm afraid that it can feel too soft for me on this blade, because it's soft.

So I thought in one of the alternatives that I mention could be a good option, as I see that people say this rubbers are more linear.

Tried T05FX before and felt too soft, in harder strokes the trajectory was too flat, so I don´t want FX series, as T80FX and T64FX are even softer.
 
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Well, in fact the trampoline of T80 is greater than T05.
T05 has a better active control - where control depends on the quality of spin and technique.It has the best spin, highest arc, les repulse
T64 has a better passive control - flat hits and blocks. It has less spin, flattest arc, greatest repulse.
T80 is balanced between the upper.
If you have different feelings, it may be because of the technique, or just because theese rubbers don't suit you.
Blades - stiffer blades lower the arc, more flexy blades make the arc higher. But going to stiffer blades just to get a lower arc may hinder the quality of many other things.
 
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Well, in fact the trampoline of T80 is greater than T05.
T05 has a better active control - where control depends on the quality of spin and technique.It has the best spin, highest arc, les repulse
T64 has a better passive control - flat hits and blocks. It has less spin, flattest arc, greatest repulse.
T80 is balanced between the upper.
If you have different feelings, it may be because of the technique, or just because theese rubbers don't suit you.
Blades - stiffer blades lower the arc, more flexy blades make the arc higher. But going to stiffer blades just to get a lower arc may hinder the quality of many other things.
Thank you for the info! [emoji6] and I my backhand has been more passive than active so I've changed to 80 to get a bit more control, that's what I wanted do mean eheh despite I've been working on a more active backhand, it's been difficult to use it in match play, because my game has been always all forehand since I was a kid

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I would say that the Tenergy sponge is closer to rubbers that are labeled as 47.5 on the ESN scale, or at least the couple that I have tried have been.

Mantra M is not that far off to Tenergy hardness, but definitely on the softer side. Medium as opposed to medium/hard maybe?
Didn't knew that, always though Tenergy series were a bit softer than 47.5

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Go with hard or medium hard rubbers because they have gears and the bou nciness depends on your sponge compression. Omega v asia, mantra h, omega vii asia, vega tour

I'm afraid they're too hard for my backhand skill, but in this blade should work as it's softer right? Or I can put less thickness. I saw your Vega Tour review and at least that model seems too hard for my backhand :/
 
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OMG rozena is exactly what you are looking for. It's a tamed t80 version with tons of control.
And it have a plus that is cheaper.

I think it suit perfectly what you described

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You already tried rozena? If so In which blade? But rozena it's softer than t80, I thought on rozena before buying 80 also! I've tried rozena almost 2 years ago but I don't remenber the blade :/
 
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Xiom has No bouncy rubber so you should try 45-47 *
You need very soft topsheet
I dont play too much with xiom equipment
My favourite is omega v tour but in my opinion should be too fast on max. You propably need rubbers like rasant grip but with a Lil bit harder sponge
 
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Xiom has No bouncy rubber so you should try 45-47 *
You need very soft topsheet
I dont play too much with xiom equipment
My favourite is omega v tour but in my opinion should be too fast on max. You propably need rubbers like rasant grip but with a Lil bit harder sponge

Yep, If I order a tensor I would order always on 2.0, 2.2 feel too thick for me. Maybe powergrip but was discontinued. Only if the Andro rebranded them with Hexer Powergrip!
 
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Thank you all for your help and suggestions! I will take this in count in my next order for my backhand, though my T80 is on my first month(and for BH they last like 6-8 months to me:p ) and then I'll leave here feedback! Thank you all again :D
 
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Have you tried a hybrid like 09C? More spin, better control, but needs more power. Still, it's easier to use than Hurricane and might work for you (after considerable adjustment). Dignics 05 can also generate more spin than Tenergy, but requires as much arm speed as 09C and is trickier to control over the table. Nothing else in my experience matches T05 for spin. G1 is easier to control than T05, but not close in shot quality. I've had occasion to compare these rubbers directly on a Viscaria with several other experienced players and we were surprised at the difference when blocking against loop. Even so I'd recommend giving it a try, as its benefits can outweigh its disadvantages, and it lasts forever. I also liked R48. Sacrifices some control vs G1 in return for more spin and speed, but still a good spin to speed ratio. Highly (factory) boosted, though, so probably doesn't last very long.
 
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