So there are 2 versions of Stiga Dynasty??

yogi_bear · Oct 15, 2018

https://www.stigatabletennis.com/tt_eu/dynasty-carbon-xu-xin-edition-table-tennis-blade

Just saw this link. There are 2 versions of the blade but I think they are the same with one as a special edition version???

cfagyal · Oct 15, 2018

I'd like to know what "Textreme+" actually is. Textreme doesn't have any mention of it on their website and none of their worldwide distributors have it for sale. So i'm curious to see when information about that becomes available.

As far as the two blades, they look to be identical compositions with just a special logo on the "Xu Xin" version.

zeio · Oct 15, 2018

...The Dynasty Carbon uses a newly developed Swedish made and patented carbon technology which makes the carbon fabric as stable and strong near the edges as in the middle, without affecting the overall balance and weight of the blade. This new Carbon technology is called TeXtreme+. TeXtreme+ draws from the original TeXtreme Spread Tow Carbon Technology and consists of an advanced, super thin carbon fiber fabric that maximizes the strength-to-weight ratio...

Whatever that is.

Suga D · Oct 15, 2018

cfagyal said:
I'd like to know what "Textreme+" actually is. Textreme doesn't have any mention of it on their website and none of their worldwide distributors have it for sale. So i'm curious to see when information about that becomes available.

As far as the two blades, they look to be identical compositions with just a special logo on the "Xu Xin" version.

I've posted this a while ago in some other thread.

Suga D said:
Hahaha. This topic seems to be undying.
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Excellent reasoning, Carl.
I just like to add one more thing to this.

From my knowledge the textreme® cloth is actually an aramid/carbon cloth, very close to the arylate/carbon cloth, just looking a little darker since it's black&grey instead of black&blue and hence looks a little darker.
http://www.textreme.com/technology

In case a blademaker like Bobpuls or MDP or others read this, it can be also purchased here:
http://www.hoelleinshop.com/Zubehoe...icle&ProdNr=RG1902761&t=49303&c=67923&p=67923
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pujoki · Oct 15, 2018

The Dynasty blade is characterized as "Stiff". I wonder if this would be similar to the TIMO ALC blade. I play penhold with the DHS 301 blade with h3 NEO rubber. I've tried using the TIMO ALC with the h3 NEO and it felt horrible. Absolutely no dwell and control. Anyone here think they will have a similar feeling?

Can anyone here compare the Carbonado blades to the DHS 301 and Timo ALC?

cfagyal · Oct 15, 2018

Suga: I know what Textreme is. I have several different types of it for my blade making, and have made multiple blades with it. What I don't know is what Textreme+ is. There is absolutely nothing about Textreme+ on textreme's website.

yogi_bear · Oct 15, 2018

or this is something like Viscaria. It would be logical to pattern it after Viscaria since it is much better with Hurricane 3 than TB ALC.

mart1nandersson · Oct 15, 2018

Isn't it a bit strange that there isn't a trace of a c-pen version on the website?

Liquid Sky · Oct 15, 2018

yogi_bear said:
or this is something like Viscaria. It would be logical to pattern it after Viscaria since it is much better with Hurricane 3 than TB ALC.

Why is Viscaria much better with Hurricane3 than TB ALC?

Ioiettino · Oct 15, 2018

yogi_bear said:
https://www.stigatabletennis.com/tt_eu/dynasty-carbon-xu-xin-edition-table-tennis-blade

Just saw this link. There are 2 versions of the blade but I think they are the same with one as a special edition version???

Usually, you're the one with the info.

yogi_bear · Oct 16, 2018

Because Viscaria feels less stiff than TB ALC.

Liquid Sky said:
Why is Viscaria much better with Hurricane3 than TB ALC?

cfagyal · Oct 16, 2018

yogi_bear said:
Because Viscaria feels less stiff than TB ALC.

That is strange, because they have the exact same composition and according to butterfly are within 0.1mm of each other in terms of thickness, so the composition difference is negligible at best, identical most likely with a different name on the front of the blade

Butterfly is notorious for rebranding their blades and just changing the name of the pro and increasing the price. Thiago Apolonia ZLC is the latest example of this, and in fact in TTD's review, Apolonia himself talked about how he liked his previous blade -- I believe if memory serves it was innerforce ZLC, and wanted the same composition for his blade...so identical composition, different colored handle, "new" blade...high price.

Jimbob MacInbred · Oct 16, 2018

cfagyal said:
That is strange, because they have the exact same composition and according to butterfly are within 0.1mm of each other in terms of thickness, so the composition difference is negligible at best, identical most likely with a different name on the front of the blade

Butterfly is notorious for rebranding their blades and just changing the name of the pro and increasing the price. Thiago Apolonia ZLC is the latest example of this, and in fact in TTD's review, Apolonia himself talked about how he liked his previous blade -- I believe if memory serves it was innerforce ZLC, and wanted the same composition for his blade...so identical composition, different colored handle, "new" blade...high price.

Even though it is starting to get a little off topic...as for Tiago: In the review he mentioned that he actually played with the Liu Shiwen ZLF before he got his signature blade, not the Innerforce ZLC. He did say Innerforce ZLC at one point while explaining, but he was only referring to the type of construction. Because of the plastic ball he wanted basically the same properties as the LSW ZLF, just with a little more speed, hence the addition of carbon (and in result the same composition as the regular Innerforce ZLC).

As for the Viscaria and its many "clones" including the TB ALC: There are still a few factors that can potentially lead to a different feel even though the composition and the thickness are pretty much the same. For example the ALC of the TB ALC could be weaved together a little tighter compared to the Viscaria; the ratio of arylate and carbon could differ; different quality of the top plies; different kind of glue could be used and so on and so forth...

Giangt · Oct 16, 2018

yogi_bear said:
Because Viscaria feels less stiff than TB ALC.

cfagyal said:
That is strange, because they have the exact same composition and according to butterfly are within 0.1mm of each other in terms of thickness, so the composition difference is negligible at best, identical most likely with a different name on the front of the blade

Butterfly is notorious for rebranding their blades and just changing the name of the pro and increasing the price. Thiago Apolonia ZLC is the latest example of this, and in fact in TTD's review, Apolonia himself talked about how he liked his previous blade -- I believe if memory serves it was innerforce ZLC, and wanted the same composition for his blade...so identical composition, different colored handle, "new" blade...high price.

As I remember in the review Dan made recently with the Viscaria and TB ALC he did mention that the wings are different on the Viscaria and TB ALC. This info came from BTF themselves.

yogi_bear · Oct 16, 2018

I have tried a few of both blades and everytine the TB ALC seem a little more stiff.

thomas.pong · Oct 16, 2018

yogi_bear said:
I have tried a few of both blades and everytine the TB ALC seem a little more stiff.

At similar weights?

thomas.pong · Oct 16, 2018

Giangt said:
As I remember in the review Dan made recently with the Viscaria and TB ALC he did mention that the wings are different on the Viscaria and TB ALC. This info came from BTF themselves.

This is true. Also the TB ALC FL handle is smaller than the Viscaria's.

yogi_bear · Oct 17, 2018

About 2-3 grans difference with either H3 or Tenergy on each blade

So there are 2 versions of Stiga Dynasty??

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