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      Butterfly domination

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      Well it is true. Probably Viscaria and TB Alc are the most famous aside from Innerforce Alc.

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      Aren't all the players at WTTC sponsored? So this is another way of saying Bty sponsors around 60% of top players.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Brs View Post
      Aren't all the players at WTTC sponsored? So this is another way of saying Bty sponsors around 60% of top players.
      No, not all WTTC players are sponsored
      especially the teams even where your 3rd division players are hardly even sponsored, or in some cases, the players might even need to fund themselves to get there
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      Is there a key/legend for those other colors? I would be interested in seeing which other companies have the next biggest market-shares (blue and green colors).

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nate4s View Post
      Is there a key/legend for those other colors? I would be interested in seeing which other companies have the next biggest market-shares (blue and green colors).
      My guess:

      Dark Blue Tibhar
      Light Blue DHS
      Turquoise Stiga

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      Quote Originally Posted by Brs View Post
      Aren't all the players at WTTC sponsored? So this is another way of saying Bty sponsors around 60% of top players.
      You see, the thing that gets interesting is how often a player who is sponsored by a company that IS NOT Butterfly, still uses Tenergy instead of the rubber from their sponsor. It happens with blades too. But not as frequently.

      I sort of hate Butterfly. But they do make good equipment.

      I had a friend who was sponsored by Stiga. This was about 5 years ago. She asked Stiga if she could use the blades but not the rubbers. She told them she could not compete on an equal playing field with players using Tenergy while she was using Stiga Rubbers. Stiga told her "No." She had integrity. She switched and took a sponsorship with Butterfly.

      Back then what Stiga had was Calibra. Today they may have rubbers that she could get by with though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      She asked Stiga if she could use the blades but not the rubbers. She told them she could not compete on an equal playing field with players using Tenergy while she was using Stiga Rubbers.
      She´s not the only one. And think about it, "not on an equal field" if you don´t have tenergy. While the forum "experts" tell you otherwise, on a certain level there is hardly an alternative for tenergy. Somehow it seems that people who have never used it get by with the new stuff that is available, but those used to playing tenergy never switch (unless their sponsor forces them too, like Tibhar).

      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      Back then what Stiga had was Calibra. Today they may have rubbers that she could get by with though.
      Well, I think the problem obviously persists when Ovtcharov (who could get ANYTHING from Donic) still can´t think of "integrity"

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      For the big stars
      They are not just sponsoring them, but buying "rights", ie buying naming rights in exchange for money

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      I would like to know how they accounted for players that use two different brand rubbers.
      e.g. DHS on the forehand and Butterfly on the backhand
      The total percentages add up to 100% .............

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sedis View Post
      I would like to know how they accounted for players that use two different brand rubbers.
      e.g. DHS on the forehand and Butterfly on the backhand
      The total percentages add up to 100% .............
      Very good question

      If I was the marketer, 1 bats, only have 50% butterfly rubber, rounding off is 100%
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      They have to be biased because it is their marketing to promote their product.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nate4s View Post
      Is there a key/legend for those other colors? I would be interested in seeing which other companies have the next biggest market-shares (blue and green colors).
      I think it's a sacred secret . There was an interview done buy tabletennis11 and you could ask Tibhar owner "anything". So one of my questions was how big they are. It wasn't asnwered, although it was asked...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Simas View Post
      I think it's a sacred secret . There was an interview done buy tabletennis11 and you could ask Tibhar owner "anything". So one of my questions was how big they are. It wasn't asnwered, although it was asked...
      I actually wonder how big is Tibhar...

      there are brands like Yasaka who is fading
      Donic maybe also faded a bit
      Xiom is growing - but only in some places
      Joola is out there, but small
      DHS seems to be growing a lot
      Stiga is still very strong
      Nittaku and the other Japanese brand are only strong at home and Asia
      New brand from Germany - Gewo getting market share in Europe and getting in partnership with many top juniors
      Andro is still out there,

      Seems like Tibhar should be stronger than half on this list if you look at the global scale.
      Is it top 3 in the world, maybe not?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      I actually wonder how big is Tibhar...

      there are brands like Yasaka who is fading
      Donic maybe also faded a bit
      Xiom is growing - but only in some places
      Joola is out there, but small
      DHS seems to be growing a lot
      Stiga is still very strong
      Nittaku and the other Japanese brand are only strong at home and Asia
      New brand from Germany - Gewo getting market share in Europe and getting in partnership with many top juniors
      Andro is still out there,

      Seems like Tibhar should be stronger than half on this list if you look at the global scale.
      Is it top 3 in the world, maybe not?
      That's a tough question.
      Not knowing what I am talking about (that's a disclaimer ) my guess for top 3 would be:
      1.Butterfly
      2.DHS
      3.Stiga...

      in the interview owner agreed that tibhar is quite small in blades, but their MX-P is a very competitive rubber and you need 2 of them, and you have to change minimum 2-3 times per year, more often 4... so rubbers are more profitable then blades.. so maybe I'd give them the 4th place...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sedis View Post
      I would like to know how they accounted for players that use two different brand rubbers.
      e.g. DHS on the forehand and Butterfly on the backhand
      The total percentages add up to 100% .............
      The rubber usage rate is calculated from the number of rubbers, not the number of players.

      Here's how they conduct it.



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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      I actually wonder how big is Tibhar...
      On pro level, maybe smaller than they wish. On amateur level many players have made a switch from tenergy05 to MX-P, while on pro level this does not seem to be the case, except for Tibhar players who were forced to.

      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      Stiga is still very strong
      Depends on where and what. As for rubbers, in Germany for example they are dead in the water. No one even tries Mantra rubbers because the disappointment about Calibra Tour and Airoc was so huge. Blades still doing ok.

      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      New brand from Germany - Gewo getting market share in Europe and getting in partnership with many top juniors
      Very traditional OLD brand, but under the radar for a long time, rightly so because of lack of competitive material. Now with ESN rubbers like almost everybody else, a strong Yoo Nam Kyu (and Samsung company sports) partnership and number three in South Korea.

      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      Andro is still out there
      and big in Japan, where the manga-ish marketing graphics obviously appeal (not my saying)

      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      Seems like Tibhar should be stronger than half on this list
      Maybe. They still have quite a few national teams sponsored, but top players? Samsonov and who else?

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