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      US Open 2018

      Dec 17-22 Northern Florida near Disneyland - nice weather - good place for Holiday family vacation

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      Yup... and at a location that is neither close to any major paying population, nor economical worth 1/10th a crap.

      Flight to Vegas are perpetually inexpensive and last year Hotel cost was 30 usd a day.

      Last year 4 of us Trouble Makers shared a room for 4 days. Our share of room was 30 usd each.

      Such low expenses are an encouragement to go to Vegas in Dec...

      I am not addressing the change of play formats, time and feedback will tell the story on that.

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      What is killing the attendance is a combination of much higher cost location and USATT not being able to finalize the easiest of basic details in a timely manner... such as a venue, play format, schedule, or a functioning webstore...

      All this taking many weeks and attempts to get in place before the advertised deadline.

      It is damned difficult to get fired from Government. Yet, if I was in Government procurement and did even half of this behind time not to spec I would surely be quickly unemployed.

      A reasonable person outside looking at how this tourney was orchestrated (more like clusterfkdup) would be very unimpressed and never come away with the thought that US Table Tennis is a professionally run outfit.

      Our 10 year old players can see this and figure it out.


      It doesn't take a pattern of events to see the dysfunction... but there are many one could name off the top of ones head like...

      The 20 times changes and many months it took to get a new ratings provider to get the ratings halfway functional...

      The wildly unprofessional unplayable play conditions at the adult National Ranking Event...

      The easy details and functionality of this year US Open...

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      MaTT and friend do make a professional media presentation each time, they are ready to roll many hours or days ahead. That counts.

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      There are probably several things that are in play here.

      Comparing ~230 *current* registration numbers to final attendance from last years is as 'apples to oranges' as it gets - can you tell me what numbers were in 2017 7 weeks before the event? I bet it was not 800.

      Now - I won't be surprised if attendance is lower in the end:

      1. It is much further away for CA players - what was a manageable drive in a car now became a flight, wich adds non-trivial cost. FL just does not have that many players to compensate.

      2. For majority of players on the East Coast, I'd argue it's still a flight to FL, so not necessarily going to boost their attendance dramatically. For many players in the area JOOLA Teams is probably THE tournament to go to anyway, and these are only 3 weeks apart, so they are not going to rush to Orlando either (curious what's the historic participation overlap between Teams and US Open). JOOLA Teams attendance seems to be in line with previous years, by the way.

      3. World Vets: plenty of folks from US attended it this year, so - many TT enthusiasts are now out of vacation time, disposable income, or both.

      4. Orlando is not Vegas. This could swing both ways: probably a plus for families with kids, but other demographics might be happier in Vegas, just more stuff to do IMHO.

      5. Format change: who knows whether it's a plus or a minus. Not being able to play in the Open might be a turnoff for some. New format did manage to confuse people at least initially, and it might be enough to suppress turnout. And by the way, figuring out whether new structure is a good thing or not simply from attendance numbers will be tough, since all other factors above are going to confound it.

      6. Delay in registration start, payment processing issues - puzzled by that. It worked before, somehow...

      We'll see how it works out.
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      That is just a current status update maybe similar to last year time period leading up to the entry deadline. It will be interesting to see if the location change has an effect.

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      I wish it would be 4x more than what we have right now. I wouldn't be able to go to US Open 2018 even if it was in Vegas and it was FREE. I have used my away from family allotment for major tourneys already.

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      Entries of about 30-40% of the past 3 years has been from California where a lot of the kids are being trained. It is close to Vegas.

      Will the New York trained kids go to Florida this year ?

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      A few from East Coast might go, but if they already went to nationals, some already spent TT travel budget for the year.

      The newer format might turn out good. The local is certainly NOT gunna be boring. People are still gunna meet old friends and new, it won't be a total train wreck no matter what.

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      This year's festive location as a winter outdoor party seems to be attracting players from different parts of the world and the USA.

      Burundi
      Venezuela
      Columbia
      Taiwan
      Haiti
      United Kingdom
      England
      Canada
      Peru
      France
      India
      Jamaica
      Japan
      Netherlands
      China
      Trinidad and Tobago

      South Dakota
      Wyoming
      Alaska
      Puerto Rico

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      Poor Euro representation

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      Hmm... maybe not so any are available at the date of this tourney for some professional reasons. That is what we get in USA. If MaTT was the planning committee, this incompatibility would be very unlikely. MaTT isn't a yes-man.

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      Winter wonderland has attracted some more from afar !

      Bahamas
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      USATT registration page appears to be down today

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