Chinese looping or Euro looping

judah000 · Dec 27, 2011

hey guys
just wanted to know how do you execute your loop chinese way or Euro Way
I play with chinese way were I can generate so much power on my loops and drives

How about you?will you please share it to us.

Anders · Dec 27, 2011

Uhmm... I think I do it in sort of a mix... Generating much strenght from my legs and shoulders/upper body, but also with the wrist snap. I think its a good mix, like the best of both worlds

WiWa · Dec 27, 2011

I have a Euro loop. Though when you learn from watching top players you get a bit of Chinese loop as well I guess, especially if you have the time for a long swing

poltery · Dec 27, 2011

judah000 said:
hey guys
just wanted to know how do you execute your loop chinese way or Euro Way
I play with chinese way were I can generate so much power on my loops and drives
How about you?will you please share it to us.

I always played the chinese loop

i dont know why.... it just started since i was i beginner

ttmedari · Dec 27, 2011

anyone can tell me what is the different between europe n chinese loop?

yurybarquero · Dec 27, 2011

Check this video
Ma Long in the background = Chinese Loop
Michael Maze = Europe Loop
[video]http://www.alphatabletennis.com/clips/06-09.html[/video]

Or

Wang Liqin

Timo Boll

This is a explanation of the Chinese Loop:
http://www.tabletennis.gr/chinese-forehand-foreward-loop-guide.html

YosuaYosan · Dec 27, 2011

Chinese loop with Euro/Jap rubber = hard

I have asian loop style and after I switch too H3Neo everything went smooothey

yurybarquero · Dec 27, 2011

YosuaYosan said:
Chinese loop with Euro/Jap rubber = hard
I have asian loop style and after I switch too H3Neo everything went smooothey

I totally agree with you. I was always trying to do the chinesse loop with butterfly rubbers and it was hard. Now with H3 it is way easier especially the third ball attack...
This thread has some videos of Ma Long and his technique is explained i a document that you can download: http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?1691-Ma-Long-Technique-in-a-Word-Document

Rhydian · Dec 27, 2011

I do the chinese loop.
you can get so many power just by good technique! the problem is, you must have the good technique ;D
but practice after practice, the power and consistency comes from itself ^^ it becomes like routine ^^

leedeyuan2 · Dec 28, 2011

i do the chinese loop. same reason as poltery. it just naturally came to me to loop this. All i know, everything is practice practice and practice, i dont really believe that chinese loop is always better than the euro loop, as long as one practice hard, nth is impossible

waldner4ever · Dec 28, 2011

I think that what determines a Chinese loop vs a European loop has to do mainly with the length of the stroke and the amount of spin generated.
For my experience, i used to play with Japanese rubber which are in general more bouncy/ softer than their Chinese counterpart, and my stroke were shorter for a very strong shot. Then I tried and changed for several Chinese rubber, which in general are harder and very tacky, and find my stroke getting longer in order to generate the same amount of speed as the Japanese/ German rubber...

So my theory is that the stroke is virtually dictated by the equipment we use...someone playing with HuricaneIII will probably have to have a longer stroke than someone using some tibhar nimbus or butterfly tenergy rubber...

Any though on this theory?

azlan · Dec 28, 2011

waldner4ever said:
I think that what determines a Chinese loop vs a European loop has to do mainly with the length of the stroke and the amount of spin generated.
For my experience, i used to play with Japanese rubber which are in general more bouncy/ softer than their Chinese counterpart, and my stroke were shorter for a very strong shot. Then I tried and changed for several Chinese rubber, which in general are harder and very tacky, and find my stroke getting longer in order to generate the same amount of speed as the Japanese/ German rubber...

So my theory is that the stroke is virtually dictated by the equipment we use...someone playing with HuricaneIII will probably have to have a longer stroke than someone using some tibhar nimbus or butterfly tenergy rubber...

Any though on this theory?

Actually, come to think of it, it's kinda true. With the chinese rubber, you must really hit the ball to get pace, which explains why they have longer strokes compared to the 'chicken wing' stroke of the europeans. Also it explains why most of the chinese uses tenergy on the BH, because usually BH has shorter stroke. Nice one waldner.

But, I have very long strokes on my FH even though I am using a very hard Calibra LT Plus. I was taught like that when I was really young, but it took me awhile to get the hang of it. Once I did, it's very rewarding.

YosuaYosan · Dec 28, 2011

Hmm so actually the link Sir Yury gave is accurate.
The chinese rubber rely on friction to push the ball while friction alone by nature is adding more spin than speed. Therefore their sponge are relatively hard to add the ball's pace. In order to do an optimum loop, one must really hit hard (paired with big torque movement) and into the sponge.
Now there are some chinese rubber with softer sponge from their euro/jap counterpart to add catapult and dwell time which prove to be a great hybrid between chinese and euro-jap rubber.
I am still waiting for a tensioned chinese rubber

Sir Az, do you got a vid of you playing? I would LOVE to see one

azlan · Dec 28, 2011

Sure, I am in the midst compiling some buddy. I'm going to have them edited to shorten them a bit

In good time buddy hehehe.

judah000 · Dec 28, 2011

poltery said:
I always played the chinese loop
i dont know why.... it just started since i was i beginner

so we are the same my coach(former rank 8 in the philipines)taught me that way

Mr. RicharD · Dec 28, 2011

I started out with a more Euro/Jap style with a lot of wrist and elbow bent at 90 degrees. But when I switched to Chinese rubbers I found that I could play both Euro or Chinese styles, but the Chinese style was much faster and had more spin.

Technique is technique. Chinese technique is designed to be faster and produce more spin with proper footwork and use of the shoulder pushing the ball rather than the bicep and forearm pulling the ball in Euro styles. What rubber you use doesn't really matter for a FH shot. The BH requires something with a little extra pace to make up for being the weaker side, but with the proper technique one should be able to use any rubber to make a powerful shot. When your technique is at a certain point then one should go out and find the perfect set up for them and their specific styles. Wang Jian Jun uses Tenergy 05 on both sides, but plays Chinese Penhold and uses Chinese technique. He might use 1.9 sponge to help with the springy feel on the FH, but at that level of practice and mastery of technique it probably doesn't matter what sponge thickness he uses because he's able to adjust to the millimeter in his strokes.

Bryce · Dec 28, 2011

0.46, Wlq's chinese loop up close! Bigger swing with arm stretched longer that euro loop.

poltery · Dec 28, 2011

judah000 said:
so we are the same my coach(former rank 8 in the philipines)taught me that way

who's that????

judah000 · Dec 28, 2011

Aldwin Dacayanan.....btw do you know ian lariba

darkky_65 · Dec 28, 2011

i do Chinese loop with a mix of my own style

kamusta na kayo mga kababayan? i'm happy that other Filipinos are participating in this forum

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