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    Reading those comments, how LGL has to rebuild the CNT basically from scratch ... I still have the inveterate impression the Chinese sport authorities must have acted in deep cooperation with the ittfz efforts, two years ago ... in order to bring the balance to the force ... ; )

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyBunny
    continue:

    2. this time, although we sent strong army, but they are not in good form(or good state). many players just rematch their new coach yet. media have notice it. Xuxin coached by ChenQi, ZhuYuLin coached by QiuYiKe, LSW by MaLin.

    the first reform after LGL's return is the new matching systerm. LGL told the reporter he did as a intermediary between players and coaches. both sides choose each other. LGL" the player put forward the coach he/she want to me, and then I talk to the coach,see if he/she has the willing and ability to work with the player. and if ok, then let them to cooperate."

    to be continue.
    Does that mean.. ZYL chose Qiu over Li Sun?

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    Does that mean.. ZYL chose Qiu over Li Sun?
    Nice remark. She certainly didn't look too happy with Li Sun, when facing Ito Mima the last time ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janard
    Does that mean.. ZYL chose Qiu over Li Sun?
    not sure for now... still matching , haven't published yet.

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    actually, CNT began tring last station, austria open.

    WangHao coached SYS, LGZ coached LiuGaoYang, LiSun coached ZPF WCQ and FZD

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyBunny
    actually, CNT began tring last station, austria open.

    WangHao coached SYS, LGZ coached LiuGaoYang, LiSun coached ZPF WCQ and FZD

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    Yeah, but that was switching between the male and female teams' coaches right. I believe the preliminary pairings that you have mentioned in the previous post are meant to last? As a fan, I would be happy if LSW does pair with ML. Even if she does not make it to the top eventually, having someone who trusts her and vice-versa would be nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janard
    Yeah, but that was switching between the male and female teams' coaches right. I believe the preliminary pairings that you have mentioned in the previous post are meant to last? As a fan, I would be happy if LSW does pair with ML. Even if she does not make it to the top eventually, having someone who trusts her and vice-versa would be nice
    yeah, agree with you, although it's haven't decided and announced yet, but since it basic on player's willing, it will be very big chance for LSW to be with Malin. :-)

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    QZJ coached WangYiDi, XuXin and XX/LSW's mix double
    LiuHeng coached HZJ
    XiaoZhan coached ZQH
    ChenBin coached YZY,XF

    the most funny one is LiSun coach FZD... too funny...

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    The idea that Cheng Yinghua and Larry Hodges are questionable sources is not something I can accept. They are both USATT Hall of famers and Cheng was a practice partner for China's penholders in the 80s and a strong world class player even well after his prime.

    So the word "clone" is what offends you, not the substance of what was said. Good. So let's get back to serious TT, and stop making others sound like idiots because they are not saying it how we think they should say it.

    Cloning rivals has always meant that you play like the rival in practice and you are a practice partner who studies what the rival does so that people can practice against their shot sequences. It is nothing preposterous or special. And it goes on in other countries as well. The problem is that you need the resources to make it happen, and most countries don't even have the quality of players.

    In any case, I suspect that He Zhuojia is getting more opportunities in part because she is simulating Ito as a practice partner. Let's move on.
    Just saw this. Cheng Yinghua and Huang Tong "Jack" Sheng are two of my co-coaches at the Maryland Table Tennis Center (since 1992), and they, and many others, have explained China's long-time system of recruiting players to mimic their main rivals. Cheng was on the Chinese National Team from 1977-1987. During those early years China's main rival was Hungary, and so Cheng's primary role during that time was to mimic Tibor Klampar, while Jack's role (1976-1983) was to mimic Gabor Gergely. They had a third player whose job it was to copy Istvan Jonyer, but I don't recall his name. When Hungary began to decline and Sweden became their primary rival, Cheng was asked to mimic Jan-Ove Waldner, and became the Chinese team's practice partner to play Waldner. In both cases Cheng and coaches spent a huge amount of time watching films, studying Klampar and Waldner's games, with Cheng mimicking the serves and shots. When Jiang prepared to play at the Worlds before winning his two men's singles titles, much of his preparation was against Cheng and his Waldner game. If you watch Cheng play later on, you can see how he blended the strokes and serves of these two. When he wants to, he can copy either so closely it's spooky.

    They still do this, and have players who mimic their current rival. I'm sure even now they are developing a "Hashimoto." (If one of these "clones" became very good on their own, they start representing China in regular competition. It's happened several times, but I don't offhand remember which ones.)

    Cheng told me a funny story that was verified by several other Chinese team members. Jiang Jialiang won men's singles at the 1985 Worlds. Before the 1987 Worlds, most people thought that Cheng would be selected for the team since he was beating most of the other Chinese team members, but the Chinese coaches were afraid that the Europeans would be used to his European-style game, and so didn't select him. So Cheng instead continued as their Waldner player, since it was now obvious Waldner was Jiang's main rival. The story is that over the last few months, at the end of each session, Jiang and Cheng would play a match, with the loser having to do push-ups. Cheng won nearly every time, and would then stand over Jiang, mocking him and saying, "How can you beat Waldner if you can't even beat me, a mere practice partner?" The truth was that Jiang's pips-out style, as he played it, was simply an inferior style of play compared to the European two-winged looping game, and once a player like Cheng got used to Jiang, he could beat him over and over. Jiang went on to win the Worlds over Waldner again, thanks to the training with Cheng (and Waldner's lack of practice against pips-out players), but it showed why the style would mostly die out. Around this time Sweden hired a Korean pips-out penholder as a full-time practice partner, and from then on Sweden was comfortable playing that style.

    China, of course, after a few years losing to the Europeans (early 1990s), developed their own two-winged loopers, perfected the style, and has dominated the world with it for many years.

    Cheng has done the same thing here in the U.S. To prepare Todd Sweeris for the 1996 and 2000 Olympic Trials (he made both), Cheng was able to uncannily mimic both Jim Butler and Khoa Nguyen in practice for Todd. They focused on Khoa, and though Todd had never gotten a *game* off him before, he beat him 3-0 at the 1996 Trials to make the team, and I think again in 2000. (I also helped develop the tactics for playing Khoa. Sorry Khoa!!! ) It's also a primary reason why Todd was able to upset Jim Butler in the semifinals of Men's Singles at the 1998 U.S. Nationals - he practiced with Cheng, who mimicked Butler. Cheng also sometimes mimicked David Zhuang, switching to a pips-out penhold racket and playing easily 2500+ that way. (Cheng actually started out as a penholder.) Jack has also done this, mimicking rival players for his students, such as Crystal Wang.
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