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Also you are speaking as if you never discriminate against other player because of how biased you are towards the chinese players. I've seen you many times constantly dissing Harimoto even when he deserved credit for his efforts. For example he beat Ma Long you said "come on ma long don't lose to this screaming kid" or when he beat Wang Chuqin at the YOG team event after losing to him in the singles finals you said you didn't like it because Harimoto won and i bet if Wang Chuqin won you would've said the opposite. Now how is that any less racist than what i said?

Considering Harimoto is racially Chinese it would be difficult to be racist against him by wanting him to lose to a Chinese person.
 
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Well said Tony , Table tennis is a fantastic sport and its more fantastic with chinese to be honest , They are the best like it or not , also Japan is improving everyday but has a very long way to be china in tt . But Now really people dont care about countries , we say Wow FZD vs Ma long what a game it will be , we never think about china vs china , If some one dont enjoy this game or as it was told china vs china so You really dont like Table tennis , cause you cant find a better final than china vs china . Fortunately china has started spreading table tennis love in every country . Im one of the people who got attracted to table tennis by watching Zhang jike and Wang hao rallies ...

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I think we need to be grateful that China is the nominating country at the moment,
As due to the huge population level as well as the wiliness of CTTA to "share", table tennis in the world has benefited from such race's love of table tennis. I'm not sure in TT history if Sweden, or Japan, or the earlier dominating countries did so much for other countries than China did

Yes, some parts it goes both ways, ie a "drop out" training partner has no future in TT in China, but can earn a good living as a coach in other countries

I still remember Saive's coach that stayed with Saive and treated him like his son and mentored him to become world champion. Saive even said without his coach, he wouldn't of gotten that far.

From what I see from USA (especially this thread is almost dedicated to USA juniors at WJC), all those are beneficiaries from Chinese coaches or sparring partners.

I have 1st hand info from TT bodies where China ambassadors are offering TT support to said nation
such nation didn't get any other support from any other country......

One can easily see the brighter side of this all China issue.
The one who wants to be sour, can just turn off the TV when its China vs China lol, you and me can enjoy it
 
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Is there evidence of racism in the words Danny has used in this thread?
I thought if someone was gonna beat a chinese it would be Pletea” - uses a racial term to describe a player, rather than use the player’s name.

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I guess you only read half of that sentence, because right after what you quoted i wrote their names..
 
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I think we need to be grateful that China is the nominating country at the moment,
As due to the huge population level as well as the wiliness of CTTA to "share", table tennis in the world has benefited from such race's love of table tennis. I'm not sure in TT history if Sweden, or Japan, or the earlier dominating countries did so much for other countries than China did

Yes, some parts it goes both ways, ie a "drop out" training partner has no future in TT in China, but can earn a good living as a coach in other countries

I still remember Saive's coach that stayed with Saive and treated him like his son and mentored him to become world champion. Saive even said without his coach, he wouldn't of gotten that far.

From what I see from USA (especially this thread is almost dedicated to USA juniors at WJC), all those are beneficiaries from Chinese coaches or sparring partners.

I have 1st hand info from TT bodies where China ambassadors are offering TT support to said nation
such nation didn't get any other support from any other country......

One can easily see the brighter side of this all China issue.
The one who wants to be sour, can just turn off the TV when its China vs China lol, you and me can enjoy it

I agree with this but also feel ITTF need to do more somehow and get China on board even more. It is massively to China's ultimate benefit that the world TT competitiveness is high and the sport has prestige and importance on the world stage. The more they dominate the less their dominance means if you get me.
 
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so lets change it to another sport and another race

oh, so there is a new kid in a block in the NBA
he is black, and that is nothing special as all black kids can play good basketball
if it was a non black, then I will be impressed, so all blacks play good ball

I am not impressed with that kid to have a 97% accuracy rate, since all blacks have the same accuracy rate

Its so boring watching blacks vs blacks in basketball.

If blacks win the match or gold medal, they are not as happy as non blacks winning

Racist much?
if not, this sure is racial discrimination and boarder racism as per my earlier statement

sportsmanship with respect will see beyond the colour of the new kid in the block and just give praise when its deserved and not discredit him or measure his performance due to his skin colour

Haha! All of this is definitely racist in the US! If anyone says any of the statements above, that person would definitely be considered a racist in the US. I do applaud everyone's immense effort to argue otherwise, even if the argument has devolved into semantics.
However, I do mention "in the US" repeatedly, because racism is more subjective than we realize. Each country has a somewhat different standard for what is considered racist. I can only speak for the US in general, since that's where I live. Maybe all of this is perfectly normal in the country where you live, and that is totally fine with me.
 
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I agree with this but also feel ITTF need to do more somehow and get China on board even more. It is massively to China's ultimate benefit that the world TT competitiveness is high and the sport has prestige and importance on the world stage. The more they dominate the less their dominance means if you get me.

Well, ITTF and CTTA are helping
they have all these training camps in different countries. Zhang Yining is heavily involved.
But at the end of the day, the issue is with grassroot and the national federations of each country to see how serious they want to go and how much funding is avalable.

having a 5~10 day training camp a year by ITTF/CTTA in your country will not make continental champions out of you

not sure how the CTTA training centers in Europe is going....
 
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Haha! All of this is definitely racist in the US! If anyone says any of the statements above, that person would definitely be considered a racist in the US. I do applaud everyone's immense effort to argue otherwise, even if the argument has devolved into semantics.
However, I do mention "in the US" repeatedly, because racism is more subjective than we realize. Each country has a somewhat different standard for what is considered racist. I can only speak for the US in general, since that's where I live. Maybe all of this is perfectly normal in the country where you live, and that is totally fine with me.

I'm sure in most countries, the above is racist for sure.

maybe in some countries, you just get away with it, some countries, you don't.

so many people hide behind alias on these forums, so they can do anything they want and get away with it.
 
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Exactly. You described what i was trying to say perfectly.

Danny, you are what we, in the US, refer to as "diet racism". What you are saying is not overtly racist, but has pretty strong racist undertone. Kind of like everything my drunk uncle says at Thanksgiving party. I'm like "yeah... your opinion is not technically racist, but I'm pretty sure everyone here thinks you're a racist"
 
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You know all this argument is pretty funny because i see so much hatred and racial discrimantion and also like you said "diet racism" on japanese players not specifically here (even though i've seen some here as well) but also in other sites such as youtube and other tt forums, yet no one says anything. And when someone says one single thing about chinese players, everyone goes wild. It's seems to be socially acceptable to hate on japanese players and it's a crime to say one thing on chinese players that people may not want to hear. Really makes me question the legitimacy of the tt community..
 
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You know all this argument is pretty funny because i see so much hatred and racial discrimantion and also like you said "diet racism" on japanese players not specifically here (even though i've seen some here as well) but also in other sites such as youtube and other tt forums, yet no one says anything. And when someone says one single thing about chinese players, everyone goes wild. It's seems to be socially acceptable to hate on japanese players and it's a crime to say one thing on chinese players that people may not want to hear. Really makes me question the legitimacy of the tt community..

Just because many people are being racist online, doesn't make it ok for you to follow their bad examples. I haven't seen many instances of racism here at this forum, and I want to keep it that way. I've always called out racism when it's due, regardless of whom it's against, "diet" or not.
 
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Results from Team Events (Sun 02 - Wed 05 December 2018):

Junior Boys Team

Semi-finals:

[1] China 3:0 France [4]
1) Xu Yingbin 3:0 Leo De Nodrest (13:11, 11:8, 11:6)
2) Yu Heyi 3:1 Irvin Bertrand (16:14, 7:11, 11:4, 11:9)
3) Xiang Peng 3:2 Bastien Rembert (11:9, 11:13, 9:11, 11:3, 11:7)


[2] Japan 3:1 Chinese Taipei [3]
1) Yuta Tanaka 2:3 Li Hsin-Yang (9:11, 11:7, 7:11, 12:10, 8:11)
2) Yukiya Uda 3:1 Feng Yi-Hsin (11:3, 11:8, 8:11, 11:6)
3) Shunsuke Togami 3:1 Tai Ming-Wei (11:2, 9:11, 11:5, 11:7)
4) Yukiya Uda 3:2 Li Hsin-Yang (16:14, 8:11, 8:11, 11:7, 12:10)


Final:

[1] China 3:0 Japan [2]
1) Yu Heyi 3:1 Yuta Tanaka (8:11, 12:10, 11:3, 11:8)
2) Xu Yingbin 3:1 Yukiya Uda (11:8, 11:7, 9:11, 11:5)
3) Xiang Peng 3:0 Shunsuke Togami (12:10, 11:9, 11:9)


Medalists:
Gold: China (Xiang Peng, Xu Haidong, Xu Yingbin and Yu Heyi)
Silver: Japan (Shunsuke Togami, Yukiya Uda, Yuta Tanaka and Kakeru Sone)
Bronze: France (Lilian Bardet, Irvin Bertrand, Leo De Nodrest and Bastien Rembert)
Bronze: Chinese Taipei (Feng Yi-Hsin, Li Hsin-Yang, Lin Yung-Chih and Tai Ming-Wei)


Junior Girls Team

Semi-finals:

[1] Japan 3:0 Russia [5]
1) Miyu Nagasaki 3:2 Mariia Tailakova (11:6, 2:11, 11:9, 12:14, 14:12)
2) Yumeno Soma 3:0 Anastasia Kolish (13:11, 11:3, 11:5)
3) Satsuki Odo 3:1 Kristina Kazantseva (11:5, 11:3, 9:11, 11:2)


[2] China 3:0 South Korea [13]
1) Shi Xunyao 3:0 Choi Haeeun (11:3, 11:8, 11:6)
2) Qian Tianyi 3:1 Shin Yubin (6:11, 11:1, 11:9, 11:2)
3) Huang Fanzhen 3:0 Ryu Hanna (14:12, 11:7, 11:5)


Final:

[2] China 3:1 Japan [1]
1) Qian Tianyi 3:2 Miyu Nagasaki (9:11, 13:11, 11:8, 5:11, 9:11)
2) Shi Xunyao 3:0 Satsuki Odo (11:8, 11:2, 11:3)
3) Huang Fanzhen 2:3 Miyuu Kihara (4:11, 7:11, 11:8, 11:4, 10:12)
4) Shi Xunyao 3:0 Miyu Nagasaki (11:6, 11:5, 11:9)


Medalists:
Gold: China (Guo Yuhan, Qian Tianyi, Shi Xunyao and Huang Fanzhen)
Silver: Japan (Satsuki Odo, Miyu Nagasaki, Miyuu Kihara and Yumeno Soma)
Bronze: Russia (Mariia Tailakova, Anastasia Kolish, Kristina Kazantseva and Ekaterina Zironova)
Bronze: South Korea (Choi Haeeun, Ryu Hanna, Shin Yubin and Wee Yeji)


https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2879/2018/world-junior-table-tennis-championships/

 
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Results from Individual Events (Wed 05 - Sun 09 December 2018):

Junior Boys Singles

Round of 32:

Amin Ahmadian, IRI/JR17 4:3 Bastien Rembert, FRA/JR18 [15]

Round of 16:

[10]
Yu Heyi, CHN/JR18 4:1 Kakak Jha, USA/JR18 [1]

[5] Cristian Pletea, ROU/JR18 4:0 Li Hsin-Yang, TPE/JR18 [14]

[7] Yuta Tanaka, JPN/JR18 4:1 Pang Yew En Koen, SGP/JR16 [13]
[3] Xu Haidong, CHN/JR18 4:1 Amin Ahmadian, IRI/JR17

[16] Xu Yingbin, CHN/JR17 4:3 Ioannis Sgouropoulos, GRE/JR18 [4]
[9] Yukiya Uda, JPN/JR17 4:1 Rares Sipos, ROU/JR18 [6]

[8] Xiang Peng, CHN/CA15 4:2 Shunsuke Togami, JPN/JR17 [12]
[2] Manav Vikash Thakkar, IND/JR18 4:2 Feng Yi-Hsin, TPE/CA15 [11]

Quarter-finals:

[5]
Cristian Pletea, ROU/JR18 4:0 Yu Heyi, CHN/JR18 [10] (12:10, 13:11, 11:9, 11:7)

[3] Xu Haidong, CHN/JR18 4:2 Yuta Tanaka, JPN/JR18 [7] (9:11, 11:9, 5:11, 11:5, 11:9, 11:7)

[9] Yukiya Uda, JPN/JR17 4:3 Xu Yingbin, CHN/JR17 [16] (9:11, 7:11, 11:7, 13:11, 11:5, 9:11, 11:9)
[8] Xiang Peng, CHN/CA15 4:3 Manav Vikash Thakkar, IND/JR18 [2] (11:6, 11:5, 7:11, 14:16, 11:4, 8:11, 11:8)

Semi-finals:

[3]
Xu Haidong, CHN/JR18 4:0 Cristian Pletea, ROU/JR18 [5] (11:5, 11:3, 11:8, 11:6)

[9] Yukiya Uda, JPN/JR17 4:0 Xiang Peng, CHN/CA15 [8] (11:9, 12:10, 13:11, 13:11)

Finals:

[3]
Xu Haidong, CHN/JR18 4:1 Yukiya Uda, JPN/JR17 [9] (13:11, 11:4, 8:11, 11:9, 11:8)



Medalists:
Gold: Xu Haidong (China) [3]
Silver: Yukiya Uda (Japan) [9]
Bronze: Cristian Pletea (Romania) [5]
Bronze: Xiang Peng (China) [8]


Junior Girls Singles

Round of 32:

Guo Yuhan, CHN/JR18 4:0 Sabina Surjan, SRB/JR18 [3]

Katarzyna Wegrzyn, POL/JR17 4:2 Archana Girish Kamath, IND/JR18 [8]
Huang Fanzhen, CHN/JR18 4:1 Lee Ka Yee, HKG/JR16 [13]
Lucie Gauthier, FRA/JR18 4:2 Anna Wegrzyn, POL/JR17 [14]
Yumeno Soma, JPN/JR16 4:0 Chen Ting-Ting, TPE/JR181 [15]

Round of 16:

[1]
Shi Xunyao, CHN/JR17 4:0 Lucie Gauthier, FRA/JR18

[6] Satsuki Odo, JPN/CA14 4:0 Bruna Takahashi, BRA/JR18 [9]

Yumeno Soma, JPN/JR16 4:1 Adriana Diaz, PUR/JR18 [5]
Guo Yuhan, CHN/JR18 4:0 Amy Wang, USA/JR16 [10]

[4] Miyu Nagasaki, JPN/JR16 4:3 Huang Fanzhen, CHN/JR18
[7] Su Pei-Ling, TPE/JR18 4:2 Andreea Dragoman, ROU/JR18 [12]

[11] Miyuu Kihara, JPN/CA14 4:0 Katarzyna Wegrzyn, POL/JR17
[2] Qian Tianyi, CHN/JR18 4:1 Mariia Tailakova, RUS/JR17 [16]

Quarter-finals:

[1]
Shi Xunyao, CHN/JR17 4:0 Satsuki Odo, JPN/CA14 [6] (11:8, 11:6, 11:5, 11:8)

Yumeno Soma, JPN/JR16 4:1 Guo Yuhan, CHN/JR18 (11:6, 11:4, 11:7, 12:14, 11:9)

[4] Miyu Nagasaki, JPN/JR16 4:2 Su Pei-Ling, TPE/JR18 [7] (11:8, 11:6, 5:11, 8:11, 14:12, 13:11)
[2] Qian Tianyi, CHN/JR18 4:3 Miyuu Kihara, JPN/CA14 [11] (6:11, 11:7, 11:5, 9:11, 11:5, 10:12, 11:7)

Semi-finals:

[1]
Shi Xunyao, CHN/JR17 4:0 Yumeno Soma, JPN/JR16 (11:3, 11:4, 11:2, 11:9)

[2] Qian Tianyi, CHN/JR18 4:1 Su Pei-Ling, TPE/JR18 [7] (12:10, 11:5, 8:11, 11:7, 11:8)

Finals:

[2]
Qian Tianyi, CHN/JR18 4:3 Shi Xunyao, CHN/JR17 [1] (11:8, 5:11, 9:11, 11:5, 9:11, 11:9, 11:8)



Medalists:
Gold: Qian Tianyi (China) [2]
Silver: Shi Xunyao (China) [1]
Bronze: Yumeno Soma (Japan)
Bronze: Su Pei-Ling (Chinese Taipei) [7]


Junior Boys Doubles

Round of 16:

[9]
Irvin Bertrand/Leo De Nodrest, FRA 3:0 Xu Yingbin/Yu Heyi, CHN [5]

[14] Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman, RUS 3:2 Sharon Alguetti/Kanak Jha, USA [7]

Quarter-finals:

[1]
Xiang Peng/Xu Haidong, CHN 3:0 Kakeru Sone/Yuta Tanaka, JPN [8]

[4] Feng Yi-Hsin/Li Hsin-Yang 3:0 Manush Utpalbhai Shah/Manav Vikash Thakkar, IND [6]

[9] Irvin Bertrand/Leo De Nodrest, FRA 3:0 Shunsuke Togami/Yukiya Uda, JPN [3]
[14] Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman, RUS 3:2 Cristian Pletea/Rares Sipos, ROU [2]

Semi-finals:

[1]
Xiang Peng/Xu Haidong, CHN 3:1 Feng Yi-Hsin/Li Hsin-Yang [4] (11:3, 11:9, 11:13, 11:7)

[14] Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman, RUS 3:0 Irvin Bertrand/Leo De Nodrest, FRA [9] (11:6, 11:8, 11:6)

Finals:

[1]
Xiang Peng/Xu Haidong, CHN 3:0 Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman, RUS [14] (11:9, 11:8, 11:3)



Medalists:
Gold: Xiang Peng/Xu Haidong (China) [1]
Silver: Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman (Russia) [14]
Bronze: Feng Yi-Hsin/Li Hsin-Yang [4]
Bronze: Irvin Bertrand/Leo De Nodrest [9]


Junior Girls Doubles

Round of 32:

Choi Haeeun/Wee Yeji, KOR 3:1 Chau Wing Sze/Lee Ka Yee, HKG [4]


Round of 16:

[12]
Amy Wang/Crystal Wang, USA 3:2 Andreea Dragoman/Tania Plaian, ROU [6]


Quarter-finals:

[1]
Miyu Nagasaki/Satsuki Odo, JPN 3:1 Tijana Jokic/Sabina Surjan, SRB [8]

[3] Huang Fanzhen/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:0 Anastasia Kolish/Mariia Tailakova, RUS [7]

[14] Guo Yuhan/Qian Tianyi, CHN 3:1 Amy Wang/Crystal Wang, USA [12]
[5] Miyuu Kihara/Yumeno Soma, JPN 3:2 Chen Ting-Ting/Su Pei-Ling, TPE [2]

Semi-finals:

[3]
Huang Fanzhen/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:1 Miyu Nagasaki/Satsuki Odo, JPN [1] (11:7, 6:11, 11:9, 11:1)

[5] Miyuu Kihara/Yumeno Soma, JPN 3:2 Guo Yuhan/Qian Tianyi, CHN [14] (11:4, 6:11, 8:11, 11:7, 11:5)

Finals:

[3]
Huang Fanzhen/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:0 Miyuu Kihara/Yumeno Soma, JPN [5] (11:7, 11:8, 11:6)



Medalists:
Gold: Huang Fanzhen/Shi Xunyao (China) [3]
Silver: Miyuu Kihara/Yumeno Soma (Japan) [5]
Bronze: Miyu Nagasaki/Satsuki Odo (Japan) [1]
Bronze: Guo Yuhan/Qian Tianyi (China) [14]


Junior Mixed Doubles

Round of 32:

Leo De Nodrest/Lucie Gauthier, FRA 3:2 Manav Vikash Thakkar/Archana Girish Kamath, IND [2]


Round of 16:

[14]
Vladimir Sidorenko/Mariia Tailakova, RUS 3:2 Ioannis Sgouropoulos, GRE/Sabina Surjan, SRB [1]

[11] Xiang Peng/Huang Fanzhen, CHN 3:1 Yuta Tanaka/Miyu Nagasaki, JPN [3]
Xu Haidong/Guo Yuhan, CHN 3:0 Cristian Pletea/Andreea Dragoman, ROU [5]

Quarter-finals:

Xu Haidong/Guo Yuhan, CHN 3:0 Vladimir Sidorenko/Mariia Tailakova, RUS [14]

[4] Yu Heyi/Qian Tianyi, CHN 3:2 Yukiya Uda/Miyuu Kihara, JPN [8]

[7] Feng Yi-Hsin/Su Pei-Ling, TPE 3:2 Xiang Peng/Huang Fanzhen, CHN [11]
[5] Xu Yingbin/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:2 Leo De Nodrest/Lucie Gauthier, FRA

Semi-finals:

[4]
Yu Heyi/Qian Tianyi, CHN 3:2 Xu Haidong/Guo Yuhan, CHN (9:11, 11:2, 3:11, 19:17, 11:8)

[5] Xu Yingbin/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:2 Feng Yi-Hsin/Su Pei-Ling, TPE [7] (8:11, 9:11, 11:7, 11:7, 11:6)

Finals:

[5]
Xu Yingbin/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:2 Yu Heyi/Qian Tianyi, CHN [4] (11:8, 3:11, 11:5, 9:11, 11:5)



Medalists:
Gold: Xu Yingbin/Shi Xunyao (China) [5]
Silver: Yu Heyi/Qian Tianyi (China) [4]
Bronze: Xu Haidong/Guo Yuhan (China)
Bronze: Feng Yi-Hsin/Su Pei-Ling (Chinese Taipei) [7]

https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2879/2018/world-junior-table-tennis-championships/
 
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Tony's Table Tennis is on a roll said:
then you get those who sees race and if the same race is playing against each other - it is boring to watch.

I really hope those who think Chinese vs Chinese is boring, should turn off the TV and stop watching table tennis when 2 Chinese is on. They don't deserve to witness good table tennis between Chinese vs Chinese players

Tony spelled it all out right. There are many who believe... 2 Chinese or 2 whatever are boring to watch...

Yup, and watching 2 Koreans play each other is boring too.. Yup. Watch any top attacking player like Ryu Seung Min play vs Joo Se Hyuk... Crowd on their feet excited cheering EVERY DAMN ATTACK AND CHOP/RETRIEVE like they are about to lose their mind excited/entertained like no other match...

Watch any Chinese play vs CWX... always a blast. XX vs ML or FZD boring... ???!!! Yup, anyone thinking that prolly has problems wiping their tail clean after they crap.... 'cause they sure full of it.

Yup. One country's players playing each other is utterly boring as watching grass grow. [/Sarcasm End]
 
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Thanks Jesper, who knew there were games to talk about...


There's a debate to be had, but it does not matter who is right if you cannot do it without cheap jibes, adding a few gallons worth of oil onto the fire drop by drop, wilfully choosing what you respond to and drag the whole thing on when you have nothing new to say. There are other ways to be confrontational than racism, this is tedious and please take it somewhere else.
 
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