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      Has anyone tried to figure out the weight of the glue?

      So I assembled my new paddle yesterday.

      Measured just about everything. Here are the numbers:

      Blade 89g
      FH rubber 67 uncut
      BH rubber 69 uncut

      So I glued FH rubber 1st. Total paddle weight 139g. Weight of cut off part 20g

      BH rubber glued on, Total weight 191. Weight of cut off part 21g.

      89+47(67-20)+48(69-21)=184. 7 grams of glue used? Isn't that a lot?

      Lets say there is 1 gram of glue on the cut off part. That would be 89+48+49=186. 5 grams of glue used in this case.

      Is 5-7 grams of glue on the paddle a lot? I used Revolution 3 glue, a few layers on both blade and rubber.

      Is there a better glue that weights less?

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      You've measured ecerything and made precise calulations and at the same time you say "a few layers of glue"?
      How many is "a few"?

      You need just one layer on the wood and one layer on the rubber if you can do the job properly. If you are afraid you are not so good, you may put two thin layers on the rubber. Any additional layer on the rubber will change its behaviour.
      A good glue job will add about 3 grams with one layer, and about 4 grams with two layers on the rubber. On the blade one layer always.

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      Instructions on the bottle say 1-2 layers on the blade, 2-4 on the rubber. I put 2 on blade and 3 rubber. Normal viscosity. I've used 1/2 layers previously, and rubber started coming off.

      I guess the question is if I use Chack II, would I only use 1/1 layer and the weight of the blade will be 4 grams less?

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      With Xiom iBond I always use 1 layer with perfect results. Its thin but strong and doesn't add and change rubbers behaviour.
      Falco is thin, but is weaker and needs 2 layers on the sponge.
      Tibhar Clue is thicker and even with 1 layer changes behaviour.

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      One thin layer on both the rubber and the blade is enough if you do a good job and let it dry properly. It has worked without any issues on rubbers like T05, H3 Neo (with lots of booster), Genesis II, EL-S etc.

      I've used both Andro Free Glue and Donic Vario Clean with great results. The glues look and smell very similar so I assume that both are manufactured by ESN (and it wouldn't surprise me if the Xiom iBond also comes from the same factory).

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      I've never used more than one thin layer of glue. If you need multiple layers you need to re-assess your gluing technique or change your glue. I've used donic and TSP ones before.

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      Glues have different consistencies and density therefore might affect also the weight.
      Last edited by yogi_bear; 12-18-2018 at 06:47 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Basten4 View Post
      So I assembled my new paddle yesterday.

      Measured just about everything. Here are the numbers:

      Blade 89g
      FH rubber 67 uncut
      BH rubber 69 uncut

      So I glued FH rubber 1st. Total paddle weight 139g. Weight of cut off part 20g

      BH rubber glued on, Total weight 191. Weight of cut off part 21g.

      89+47(67-20)+48(69-21)=184. 7 grams of glue used? Isn't that a lot?

      Lets say there is 1 gram of glue on the cut off part. That would be 89+48+49=186. 5 grams of glue used in this case.

      Is 5-7 grams of glue on the paddle a lot? I used Revolution 3 glue, a few layers on both blade and rubber.

      Is there a better glue that weights less?
      I bought the Normal Viscosity Revolution No. 3 glue and I don't like it a bit. The reason is that after using 2 layers on the blade and two layers on the rubber, the rubber still won't stick properly and I had to peel off a new rubber and then again do the same process with more layers on the wood and rubber. I just won't use it anymore as I feel that too much glue (read water) on the wood will eventually make the wood soft and soggy.
      Most of the times practice, patience and an observant mind answers all your questions

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      Never more than one layer on blade. On stubborn rubbers, 2 thin layers. All the rest one. 6-7 total layers is overkill. One each on blade and rubber weighs about 2g in my experience.

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      I always put 2 thing layers on a rubber and 1 on blade
      i use Andro Turbo Fix, Gewo Hydro Tech, Xiom I bond etc, which I think is the same thing.

      for the ones that say 1 on rubber is enough else its a technique issue...
      well I learnt from my mentors saying with tensor rubbers, the first layer does get sucked in more to the pores by thin glue, so it is adviseable to use a 2nd layer for a better bond.
      and since I'm a shop and glue hundreds of bats a year, I want to make sure my assembly is top notch and bond is strong enough.

      another shop only uses 1 layer on rubber, and I hear lots of complaints.... (it could be glue, glue layer or technique)

      To answer OP
      I see my gluing normally adds +/- 2 grams per side
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      I would place 1 think layer of glue on the blade and sponge. After that i hairdry it then it is a go.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      I always put 2 thing layers on a rubber and 1 on blade
      i use Andro Turbo Fix, Gewo Hydro Tech, Xiom I bond etc, which I think is the same thing.

      for the ones that say 1 on rubber is enough else its a technique issue...
      well I learnt from my mentors saying with tensor rubbers, the first layer does get sucked in more to the pores by thin glue, so it is adviseable to use a 2nd layer for a better bond.
      and since I'm a shop and glue hundreds of bats a year, I want to make sure my assembly is top notch and bond is strong enough.

      another shop only uses 1 layer on rubber, and I hear lots of complaints.... (it could be glue, glue layer or technique)

      To answer OP
      I see my gluing normally adds +/- 2 grams per side
      So your mentor has to rethink that and to really take in mind the difference between glues and the multylayer effect.
      My mentor may put 1-2-3 layers on the rubber, but only for a reason. I would never allow someone to put 2 layers on my rubbers. And I'm doing it alone. Have never felt.

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      Quote Originally Posted by langel View Post
      So your mentor has to rethink that and to really take in mind the difference between glues and the multylayer effect.
      My mentor may put 1-2-3 layers on the rubber, but only for a reason. I would never allow someone to put 2 layers on my rubbers. And I'm doing it alone. Have never felt.
      I know what you are trying to say, but with all due respect to you and every other "equipment gurus" on this forum.
      I think his equipment knowledge, skills and experience far supersedes anyone in this forum. Heck he does that for a living, if he needs to rethink, I'm sure he would be out of a job long ago

      So I think you can continue your way, I will continue my way, no one is getting hurt for doing it differently.

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      Sure. Anyone can do what he feel is the best.
      Just want to say it again - more layers do always change the rubbers.
      Its up to anyone to decide why he would do this.
      But doing it just to ensure gluing is not a good job.

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      Quote Originally Posted by langel View Post
      Just want to say it again - more layers do always change the rubbers.
      I agree
      Most pros don't only use 1 layer
      Heck, I can't say any more

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      I agree
      Most pros don't only use 1 layer
      Heck, I can't say any more
      Isn't comparing with the pros a bit strange as most "boosting formulas" involves extra glue layers just to protect to top sheet? Maybe mainly applies to semi-pros who don't get their sheets express delivered from the DHS factory but anyway.

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      EH?
      I use freechack like forever, one very thin coating on the blade, one very thin coating on the rubber, no discernable weight added.

      I dunno what the hell yaall doing

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      I agree
      Most pros don't only use 1 layer
      Heck, I can't say any more
      It's different gluing heavily boosted rubbers.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      I agree
      Most pros don't only use 1 layer
      Heck, I can't say any more
      True, my chinese coach said me to use 6 layers of glue(on the rubber), but depends of the viscosity, I've used 6 with Nittaku Finezip, but now I use a thinner glue and I use 8 layers on rubber, and 2 on blade instead of 1. At least I prefer more glue, but never tried it before my coach recommended this to me.
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      First I think it is important to establish what glue are we talking about. I am sure glues are different from each other.

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