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    Daiki Rubber No More?

    I was checking up on them, but instead was met with a 403 Forbidden.

    http://daikirubber.jp/


    Next course of action - their Facebook page. Got taken down.

    https://www.facebook.com/daikirubber/


    By this point, I was pretty sure it wasn't hacked. After some digging, it turns out Daiki Rubber was bought out by Kisco in Nov, 2014. Then in Apr, 2018, it merged with East Lane International, that was also bought out in Nov, 2014. East Lane International appears to be in sports wholesale and it has been doing business with Daiki Rubber for a while. According to government records, East Lane International doesn't exist anymore, but Daiki Rubber should still be around. I guess I will find out in a few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeio
    I was checking up on them, but instead was met with a 403 Forbidden.

    http://daikirubber.jp/


    Next course of action - their Facebook page. Got taken down.

    https://www.facebook.com/daikirubber/


    By this point, I was pretty sure it wasn't hacked. After some digging, it turns out Daiki Rubber was bought out by Kisco in Nov, 2014. Then in Apr, 2018, it merged with East Lane International, that was also bought out in Nov, 2014. East Lane International appears to be in sports wholesale and it has been doing business with Daiki Rubber for a while. According to government records, East Lane International doesn't exist anymore, but Daiki Rubber should still be around. I guess I will find out in a few months.
    Thanks for sharing.

    That doesn't sound like good news to me.
    Less manufacturers means less variety too. Let's hope they keep on keepin' on.
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    If that is the case, Stiga, ITC and Nexy will be affected.

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    Has anyone got any further information on this?

    I have noticed a few Daiki made rubbers such as Joola Samba 19 and the Stiga Airoc series seem to be unavailable in some variations at a lot of suppliers and I wondered if this was connected.

    Thanks

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    Been keeping track of this, but nothing concrete at the moment.

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    Daiki still makes rubbers for Stiga until now.

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    Just got some lead here. The company Daiki Rubber is likely dissolved now. According to Nittaku's Corporate Profile page, Kisco is now listed instead under "主仕入先" or "Main Supplier" in English.

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    Looks like the Daiki exodus is real. Brands are jumping ship. Joola, Stiga, and now Victas.

    I'm curious how much they blew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeio
    Looks like the Daiki exodus is real. Brands are jumping ship. Joola, Stiga, and now Victas.

    I'm curious how much they blew.
    Entertaining. It'll be funny to see if Curl P1V comes out as the same rubber. Do you know if Daiki manufactured P1R?

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    Highly unlikely. Daiki only started developing premium topsheet and sponge in 1991, short-pips and tacky topsheets in 1996 and they didn't succeed in developing a highly elastic topsheet and sponge until 1999.

    Curl 1977-?
    Curl P-1, ?-1999. Replaced by P-1R due to aspect ratio rule, 1999-
    Curl P-2, 1981-2001, 2008-
    Curl P-3, 1985-. Modified after aspect ratio rule.
    Curl P-3α, ?-1999. Replaced by Curl P-3αR due to aspect ratio rule, 1999-
    Curl P-H, 2008-
    Curl P-4, 2011-

    https://www.victas.com/ja_jp/journal...18/10/09-11-11
    https://web.archive.org/web/19971013...m/mat/cov.html
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    So the Curl and Spectol series are likely to be made in-house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mart1nandersson
    So the Curl and Spectol series are likely to be made in-house?
    The Spectol Red and Blue, and also Spinpips Red/Blue look like they use a Daiki sponge.

    Possibly this is why Victas Spectol S2 and S3 are on the most recent LARC, but no direct replacement is currently listed on the Victas site
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    The original Spectol was introduced in 1972, so unlikely by Daiki.

    Rubbers confirmed to be produced by Daiki:

    TSP
    Agrit, Rise

    ITC
    Powercell
    Spyder
    Impact

    Nexy
    Karis

    Donic
    Vario

    Joola
    Mambo(Mambo H with new packaging now made in Germany)
    Samba 19, Samba 27(probably Samba as well, but Samba with new packaging now made in Germany)

    Stiga
    Mendo, Innova
    Neos, Almana
    Boost
    Calibra
    Airoc
    Mantra

    Tibhar
    Vari Spin(other models are made in Germany)

    Last but not least, Daiki's website is still getting updated and accessible from within Japan. They were still hiring in 2019 and have more staff now(38 in 2018, 43 in 2019, 45 in 2020).
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    An interesting comment in the Yasaka thread on 5ch. Looks like many in Japan are fed up with the "Mark V lineage". Valmo is anachronistic. Even though it doesn't sell, but like TSP with its Regalis, if you can't sell it anyway, please stay away from the Mark V system and challenge it boldly. LOL!

    https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pi...23263419/927-n
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    ラクザまで行かないがフライアットスピンは値段の割には頑張っている印象

    スレイバー神話を切り捨てたバタフライと未だにマークVの威光を使うヤサカ
    ヴァルモは昔懐かしい高弾性に接着剤塗った感じで嫌いじゃないけど時代錯誤
    売れてないけど国産スピン系のレガリスを出したTSPみたいにどうせ売れないならマークV系統から離れて果敢にチャレンジしてもらいたい
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    Many brands actually have long and/or short pimple rubbers “Made in Japan” (Donic, Joola, Nittaku, Stiga, Tibhar and Yasaka comes to mind)

    I’ve always assumed that they came from the same manufacturer - most likely Daiki (now Kisco)?

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    After some serious digging, I'm pretty sure Curl is manufactured by Umehara, located in Ichinomiya, Aichi.

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    After some serious digging, I'm pretty sure Curl is manufactured by Umehara, located in Ichinomiya, Aichi.
    Nice find!

    Having played with quite a lot of different Japanese-made long pips, I feel quite certain that most of them are made by the same manufacturer - kind of the “ESN of long pips”

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    Bumped into a recruitment post by Umehara.

    ¥927 for an hour of work as a part-time table tennis rubber production assistant.

    A total of 15 staff, 9 of which are in the work place, 4 of which are female and 3 are part-time.
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    Just found out Visnatura by 729 is manufactured by Daiki.
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    Non-Japanese IP addresses can access the website again.

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