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      blades with koto as a medial ply?

      Are there any good blades with Koto as an internal ply? Thanks guys! (I know “good” is subjective)


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      Koto is relatively heavy to be used as thick Inner ply. So I think there is no blade like you are asking. But maybe it is....

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      Butterfly Oh Sang Eun = koto - koto - ayous - koto - koto

      Donic Persson Exclusive Off: limba-koto-balsa-koto-limba

      Joola Chen Weixing: limba-koto-black cloth-kiri-black cloth-koto-limba

      Xiom Jazz: hinoki-koto-ayous-koto-hinoki

      The above comes from http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7194

      also, you can check here https://stervinou.net/ttbdb/compo.php
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      Quote Originally Posted by bobpuls View Post
      Koto is relatively heavy to be used as thick Inner ply. So I think there is no blade like you are asking. But maybe it is....
      Exactly. +1

      This is also reason why most blades with Koto plies use lighter woods like Kiri, Balsa or ayous as core ply.

      Well, anyhow, i haven't heard of one yet, but that doesn't mean there is none, and maybe you can even find a blademaker like Bobpulse to make you one, and make a review of it.
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      Too dense for a core wood. It is already hard as an outer ply.

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      I’m having one made. Limba-koto-ayous-koto-Limba. I’m working with Afrobro on it— I think it’ll have a fairly thin ply of koto, the idea being to get the soft feel of Limba for touch shots, and a crisper feel on harder drives, loops, etc.


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      The Rossi Emotion and the Aruna use it just below the Hinoki. I don't know any blade that uses it as the core ply but you can check the resources provided by G_Zhang.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Realtor_Dillon View Post
      Are there any good blades with Koto as an internal ply? Thanks guys! (I know “good” is subjective)
      I'd say yes. One I know of is the Joola Rossi Emotion. Hinoki/Koto/Carbon/Ayous/Carbon/Koto/Hinoki. It's a friend of mine's main blade, and it has a lot of things to offer.

      There are others too, Adidas had quite a few and there are or have been quite a lot of blades with a relatively thin, softer outer veneer (fineline, hinoki, ...) on top of a second ply of Koto. Enough to get me to think the blade designers thought that design had merits.

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      Rossi Emotion is a good All+ Off-, but not Off blade. The Hinoki outer is a very thin lamination to the Koto ply and the Hinoki feel is 1/2. Plays better with mid-soft to mid-hard rubbers.

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      Thanks everyone for the insight!


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      Quote Originally Posted by yoass View Post
      I'd say yes. One I know of is the Joola Rossi Emotion. Hinoki/Koto/Carbon/Ayous/Carbon/Koto/Hinoki. It's a friend of mine's main blade, and it has a lot of things to offer.

      There are others too, Adidas had quite a few and there are or have been quite a lot of blades with a relatively thin, softer outer veneer (fineline, hinoki, ...) on top of a second ply of Koto. Enough to get me to think the blade designers thought that design had merits.
      I could be wrong, but from my understanding OP means Koto as a core not as second ply, but certainly i could be wrong.

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      I may have used the wrong terminology in my original post/heading. I mean as a second ply— Limba-Koto-Ayous-Koto-Limba


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      Thanks for clarifying.

      In this case there are quite a few. G_Zhang's link from stervinou database should be able to help.

      Good luck.

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      blades with koto as a medial ply?

      Quote Originally Posted by Realtor_Dillon View Post
      I may have used the wrong terminology in my original post/heading. I mean as a second ply— Limba-Koto-Ayous-Koto-Limba
      If you wanted what it sounds like you want from the plies you would be better off with this construction:

      Limba-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Limba

      There are many blades with that construction. Some better than others.

      Nexy Spear is one of the better ones.

      Stiga Offensive Classic is one that feels a little more hollow than I like. But it is still good.

      That ply construction is what Waldner used in the early 90s.

      The Limba gives the feel, dwell and extra spin. The Spruce gives a kick that Koto would not.

      However, Koto does make a lot of sense under a soft springy wood like Hinoki. The way Hinoki grabs the hell out of the ball also makes having the harder less springy Koto ply under it make sense.

      It is hard to come up with your own ply constructions and have them work well without trying lots and lots of different blades and seeing what each different ply construction creates in terms of playing characteristics.

      That would also include trying many different blades of the same construction, and even, many blades of the same model.

      At a certain point you can feel how 10 Primoracs will all feel different yet still have certain characteristics that would help you know it is a Primorac (put any other blade in there and repeat).

      When you start knowing a lot of how different plies change things and what stays similar from different blades with the same plies, then trying to create your own ply constructions will come from a better knowledge base.

      Of course this is probably the best reason to start trying to make your own blades. Then you can test all kinds of things just to see what happens.


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