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Why is frictionless longpip banned by the way?

Is it THE ULTIMATE RUBBER ?
 
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Frictionless long pips are easier to use with a simple technique.

But, to be fair they should have banned anti too.

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Regular long pips are also easy to use with simple technique to good effect, so what's the problem ?
 
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I heard the theory that with a new plastic ball the pips gained some advantage, especially SP or LP blocking near the table.

Because of this, top level players who use pips have recently risen in the world rankings.

Example with SP:
Mima Ito WR7
FALCK Mattias WR12

At least half Japanese women-players from Top-50 playing with pips.

LP blocking:
NI Xia Lian WR48
BATRA Manika WR51

We also have to pay attention that these are all players who started playing in childhood with an old celluloid ball and most likely with other rubbers.

If a player from early childhood begins to play with a new plastic ball and with pips at the same time, and this ball will no longer change at least 15 years, then it will probably reach very high results.

As an example, in Russia there is a girl who from the very beginning plays with plastic and long pips, and now, by her age (12 years), she is number 1 in the country.
https://youtu.be/CfaLFchRtk8?t=1060 - check from moment 17:40, A.Ivanova plays against her opponents 3 years older than her and eventually takes 3rd place in Nikitin Open tournament at this older age. I will follow her career with interest.
 
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Regular long pips are also easy to use with simple technique to good effect, so what's the problem ?

Long pips are not as good as the ones without friction. I would say it is a big difference. More safe and more spin before. Try asking someone that used long pimple without friction what they think about the long pimples today, and i think alot of players think the long pimples of today is not as good and it is more difficult today.

But i think it is wrong that they forbid the these rubbers. And also that they changed the ball. I think there is less diversity and playingstyles because of this. Today it is much pang pang and not as much finesse i think. But that is just my opinion.
 
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I heard the theory that with a new plastic ball the pips gained some advantage, especially SP or LP blocking near the table.

Because of this, top level players who use pips have recently risen in the world rankings.

Example with SP:
Mima Ito WR7
FALCK Mattias WR12

At least half Japanese women-players from Top-50 playing with pips.

LP blocking:
NI Xia Lian WR48
BATRA Manika WR51

We also have to pay attention that these are all players who started playing in childhood with an old celluloid ball and most likely with other rubbers.

If a player from early childhood begins to play with a new plastic ball and with pips at the same time, and this ball will no longer change at least 15 years, then it will probably reach very high results.

As an example, in Russia there is a girl who from the very beginning plays with plastic and long pips, and now, by her age (12 years), she is number 1 in the country.
https://youtu.be/CfaLFchRtk8?t=1060 - check from moment 17:40, A.Ivanova plays against her opponents 3 years older than her and eventually takes 3rd place in Nikitin Open tournament at this older age. I will follow her career with interest.
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I can understand that it works for short pimple since there is easier to counterattack today and short pimple is good for this, and short pimples are not so affected by the loss of the spin in the ball.

But i am interested in the theory about how the plastic ball is good for long pimple blockers? because players are looping a little slower with this ball? i think the new ball must be useless with this playing style, they get to little backspin so other players can proably loop harder against them now compared to before. I think long pimple blocking style of play will go away in a couple of years because of the plastic ball. Edit: maybe not go away, but i think less players will chose to play like this.
 
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But i am interested in the theory about how the plastic ball is good for long pimple blockers? because players are looping a little slower with this ball?
Yes. The main problem for blockers is to return ball back to the other side of the table after opponent attack with very fast ball.
Deception and backspin is the secondary, not the main target.

Women playing not so fast balls as man.
Plastic not so fast as celluloid.

So now we can see some women-blockers on the top level.

It is in the theory, I'm not sure that this is all true.
 
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It is definitely harder to overwhelm people with spin but I think inverted is definitely the easier option to play for all the reasons that have been mentioned. I mean, I took 8 months off and came back and my inverted play has caught up. You can always dial down or dial up the power or change the contact points or timing to regain your consistency. I don't think the same thing exists for pips players.

That said, my loops are easier to block for pips players and pips players also seem to find offense on the new ball easier. The counterpoint is that it is also easier to drive the ball so pips players need to adjust to that. The speed and spin are just lower but being stuck at the table gives pips players fewer options to adjust (I mean LP when I say pips).
 
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It is hard to develop a long pip chopping style because it takes specialized kind of training and also the amount footwork and control against a strong attacking style.

The long pips push blockers with a great attacking 4h are the ones causing the big upsets of top players.
 
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Yes. The main problem for blockers is to return ball back to the other side of the table after opponent attack with very fast ball.
Deception and backspin is the secondary, not the main target.

Women playing not so fast balls as man.
Plastic not so fast as celluloid.

So now we can see some women-blockers on the top level.

It is in the theory, I'm not sure that this is all true.

yes, that is true. True for everyone. if they never miss they will win. But with less deception and especially backspin it is easier for the opponent to do harder loops against the pushblocker so it is more difficult for them now to return the ball back. This goes hand in hand and is the same for all playing styles. If you play to easy, it will be easy for the opponent because they know more what is coming and it will be harder for you to put the ball back safe.
 
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Can you give some notable examples at high level tournaments in any part of the world?

2002 European Table Tennis Championships
Ni Xialian, LP blocker - gold medal in singles. Also medals in 1998, 2000, 2007, 2018.
https://youtu.be/-rEub9UkaA4

Commonwealth Games 2018

Manika Batra, LP blocker - gold medal in singles. Beaten Feng Tianwei and Yu Mengyu.

Chinese super league.
Zhou Xintong, LP blocker vs LI Xiaoxia.
https://youtu.be/th2OqDSBsRc

And some others
https://youtu.be/cbqvw0NrYmQ

https://youtu.be/BI2WWmRTLCA
 
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2002 European Table Tennis Championships
Ni Xialian, LP blocker - gold medal in singles. Also medals in 1998, 2000, 2007, 2018.
https://youtu.be/-rEub9UkaA4

Commonwealth Games 2018

Manika Batra, LP blocker - gold medal in singles. Beaten Feng Tianwei and Yu Mengyu.

Chinese super league.
Zhou Xintong, LP blocker vs LI Xiaoxia.
https://youtu.be/th2OqDSBsRc

And some others
https://youtu.be/cbqvw0NrYmQ

https://youtu.be/BI2WWmRTLCA

None of these are new or rising stars other than Manika Batra. And I think one could argue that it is the improvement of other parts of Batra's game that are more involved in her improvement than the chop blocking. Finally they are all women.

I asked loopadoop for a reason as well. Loopadoop has been saying similarly hyperbolic things about long pips on multiple social media.
 
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But with less deception and especially backspin it is easier for the opponent to do harder loops against the pushblocker so it is more difficult for them now to return the ball back. This goes hand in hand and is the same for all playing styles. If you play to easy, it will be easy for the opponent because they know more what is coming and it will be harder for you to put the ball back safe.

Yes. But deception and backspin is not the only way to get opponent in troubles. I don't know right English term, in Russia, we say something like "play in the perfect right place and time".

https://youtu.be/VxfH2S7qE-s
 
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Yes. But deception and backspin is not the only way to get opponent in troubles. I don't know right English term, in Russia, we say something like "play in the perfect right place and time".

https://youtu.be/VxfH2S7qE-s

No, that is very true! You are correct. But i still think that the amount of backspin is a very big and important part of a pushblockers playing style. I do think that because of the less amount spin pushblockers need to find different ways to get the opponent in trouble like maybe twiddle more , be more aggressive with the forehand or use much better placement.
 
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Can you give some notable examples at high level tournaments in any part of the world?

Go to: North Little Rock Table Tennis Group timeline page on Facebook

Read the latest 20 post there, some notable upsets, Kanak Jha, Ding Ning, Matilda Elkhorn, Lily Zhang, a few more.
 
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Go to: North Little Rock Table Tennis Group timeline page on Facebook

Read the latest 20 post there, some notable upsets, Kanak Jha, Ding Ning, Matilda Elkhorn, Lily Zhang, a few more.

Ah, pointing me to the Facebook page. Haven't seen that in a while.

I actually don't use Facebook at all. Anything you can share here on YouTube or another internet site?
 
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