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    Well I also think it's sad cause Europe hasn't had any new talents for the past 10-20 years. Boll won the World Cup in 2002 when he was only 21, Vladi was #1 at the age of 21 or 22 I think, Maze(not long career because of traumas) won the Europe top 12 when he was 23(or 24) and the next year finished third in the World Champs..
    In my opinion real talents reveal themselves early too. Not in the age of 30. In that age they still maintain their class and status and should be challenged by the next generation. I can't see such talents in Europe for now and the fact that the average age in the top 16 is above 30 years just confirms the situation.
    I think we await the Moregard Pletea generation. Hopefully they can become top 10 players.

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    in fact, it's not as bad as it seems for Europe

    let's compare current ATTU TOP16 and ETTU TOP16 without country quotas (now we don't discuss the objectivity of the rating formation)


    ASIA


    FAN Zhendong 21
    XU Xin 28
    HARIMOTO Tomokazu 15
    LIN Gaoyuan 23
    LEE Sangsu 28
    WONG Chun Ting 27
    NIWA Koki 24
    MIZUTANI Jun 29
    JANG Woojin 23
    MA Long 30
    LIM Jonghoon 21
    CHUANG Chih-Yuan 37
    LIANG Jingkun 22
    JEONG Sangeun 28
    JEOUNG Youngsik 26
    YOSHIMURA Maharu 25

    Average age: 25.44


    EUROPE


    BOLL Timo 37
    FALCK Mattias 27
    OVTCHAROV Dimitrij 30
    FRANZISKA Patrick 26
    PITCHFORD Liam 25
    GROTH Jonathan 26
    SAMSONOV Vladimir 42
    KARLSSON Kristian 27
    FREITAS Marcos 30
    FILUS Ruwen 30
    GAUZY Simon 24
    WALTHER Ricardo 27
    LEBESSON Emmanuel 30
    HABESOHN Daniel 32
    APOLONIA Tiago 32
    KOU Lei Male 31

    Average age: 29.75


    but.. if we exclude extreme values (Harimoto and Vladi), then we get asia 26.13 europe 28.93 or just 2.8 year difference
    of course Asia is younger, as always, but gap isn't so huge


    now about new superstar crisis in EU. players like Timo, ML, Harimoto, FZD, WCQ don't appear so often, even in China. for example, it took Taiwan 10 years after Chuang Chih-Yuan to raise Chen Chien-An, then another ten years to Lin Yun-Ju. None of them became ML, but that's the best they've had in the last 30 years. The best Singaporean has already passed 36 etc.

    Personally I think Franziska or Duda has a chance to became next Timo, Groth next Maze and Pitchford next Vladi )) at a later age, but there is a chance. At least they'll play the role of "almost greats" until new true Timo, Maze and Vladi come up

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    I think we await the Moregard Pletea generation. Hopefully they can become top 10 players.
    agree about Moregard, also there are very promising Slovenes. Perhaps some day Europe will give birth to their Harimoto )

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukyancheg

    but.. if we exclude extreme values (Harimoto and Vladi), then we get asia 26.13 europe 28.93 or just 2.8 year difference
    of course Asia is younger, as always, but gap isn't so huge
    Although I mostly agree with you and I think there are current hopes for Europe(although for me there's only Pitch) I would like to point out that you excluded from one list the high extreme(Vladi) and from the other - the low extreme(Harimoto) - thus pulling them towards each other more

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    If Franzizka or Duda were the next Timo they'd be top 5 in the world by now.

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    The draw is out. Liam will play Simon

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    Link?Stream?

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    Link?Stream?
    It's on the laola1.tv

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    Gauzy destroyed Pitchford 4-0 !!!! Come on Simon !!!

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    It is hard to believe that there was ever a time that Tiago could beat Timo when you watch this match right now.

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    Gauzy destroyed Pitchford 4-0 !!!! Come on Simon !!!
    Very disappointing losing to Habesohn. Same with Freitas, so many forehand loop unforced errors from Freitas.

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    So the 3 best European players make the semis. Disappointed in Gauzy not making it a more interesting final 4 but Habesohn gets results, can't fault that.

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    Always thought Habesohn is somewhat underrated. Has a nice backhand and seems to win alot in the league. To bad Falck played Gionis. Forehand short pimple players are no good against defenders. I think Falck have almost never won against åkerström But have trained against him alot.

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    Results from Day 1 (Sat 02 February 2019)

    Men's Singles

    Round of 16:

    [1] Timo Boll 4:0 Tiago Apolonia [13] (11:3, 11:4, 11:5, 11:5)
    [8] Kristian Karlsson 4:1 Emmanuel Lebesson [10] (5:11, 12:10, 11:9, 12:10, 11:7)

    [6] Jonathan Groth 4:0 Lionel Weber, SUI [16] (11:6, 11:5, 11:8, 11:7)
    [3] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:0 Kou Lei, UKR [15] (11:2, 11:9, 11:6, 11:6)

    [9] Simon Gauzy 4:0 Liam Pitchford [4] (11:9, 11:8, 11:9, 11:7)
    [11] Daniel Habesohn 4:3 Marcos Freitas [7] (14:12, 11:6, 9:11, 4:11, 9:11, 11:8, 11:8)

    [5] Vladimir Samsonov 4:1 Ovidiu Ionescu [12] (11:3, 12:10, 9:11, 11:8, 11:5)
    [14] Panagiotis Gionis 4:2 Mattias Falck [2] (11:8, 12:14, 10:12, 11:4, 11:7, 11:8)


    Quarter-finals:

    [1] Timo Boll 4:1 Kristian Karlsson [8] (11:3, 12:10, 11:6, 6:11, 11:1)
    [3] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:1 Jonathan Groth [6] (11:9, 4:11, 11:9, 11:8, 11:3)

    [11] Daniel Habesohn 4:2 Simon Gauzy [9] (11:7, 5:11, 11:9, 5:11, 11:5, 11:7)
    [5] Vladimir Samsonov 4:1 Panagiotis Gionis [14] (11:7, 10:12, 11:4, 11:2, 11:7)


    Women's Singles

    Round of 16:

    [1] Sofia Polcanova 4:3 Rachel Moret, SUI [16] (7:11, 4:11, 11:6, 15:13, 11:6, 11:13, 12:10)
    [13] Nina Mittelham 4:1 Matilda Ekholm [6] (11:9, 8:11, 14:12, 11:6, 13:11)

    [5] Petrissa Solja 4:3 Li Qian, POL [9] (9:11, 11:8, 12:10, 5:11, 5:11, 11:8, 11:8)
    [3] Elizabeta Samara 4:0 Polina Mikhailova [11] (11:9, 12:10, 12:10, 11:7)

    [15] Natalia Partyka 4:3 Li Jie, NED [4] (7:11, 12:10, 11:8, 8:11, 11:5, 7:11, 11:7)
    [7] Georgina Pota 4:0 Ni Xia Lian, LUX [10] (11:2, 11:9, 11:6, 11:7)

    [14] Barbora Balazova 4:0 Britt Eerland [8] (11:9, 11:8, 16:14, 11:8)
    [2] Bernadette Szocs 4:2 Hana Matelova [12] (11:5, 11:9, 11:13, 11:7, 11:13, 11:8)


    Quarter-finals
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    [1] Sofia Polcanova 4:2 Nina Mittelham [13] (11:6, 11:8, 11:6, 8:11, 10:12, 15:13)
    [5] Petrissa Solja 4:1 Elizabeta Samara [3] (11:7, 11:9, 9:11, 11:8, 11:6)

    [15] Natalia Partyka 4:1 Georgina Pota [7] (11:7, 11:9, 11:6, 6:11, 13:11)
    [2] Bernadette Szocs 4:0 Barbora Balazova [14] (11:7, 11:8, 11:5, 11:9)


    Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5059...pe-Top-16-Cup/

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    Ovtcharov and Dima in the semis? How is this possible if they were 1 and 2 seed?

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    So the 3 best European players make the semis. Disappointed in Gauzy not making it a more interesting final 4 but Habesohn gets results, can't fault that.
    Gauzy beating Pitch isn't unusual. They used to practice together in Ochsenhausen and know each other before Pitch left Ochsenhausen and Calderano came as a substitute.

    On the other hand Habesohn really has a winning streak at the moment. He just recently has beaten Fang Bo in the Champions League

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    Habesohn is one of the players who I think has been strongly aided by the plastic ball. This is purely my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. The first time I ever saw him play, the first thing that stood out to me was his ability to rally. If he was rallying with a CNT or top Euro pro, you couldn't really tell the difference. But serve and third ball... well... those things matter less now so he is more relaxed and his true strengths are coming to the fore.

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    Ovtcharov and Dima in the semis? How is this possible if they were 1 and 2 seed?
    How could the same player play himself, did you mean Timo Boll as one of them ?

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    Ovtcharov and Dima in the semis? How is this possible if they were 1 and 2 seed?
    Falck was 2nd seed. Dima is 3rd.

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    TV Director: "Ok mate, can you mess up the scoreboard as bad as you can?"
    Graphics guy: "I'll see what I can do!"


    Hint: pay attention to game scores.

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