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      Looping with short pimples on backhand advice?

      Using Spectol Red 1.8mm on bh since new year, some good results and I know this is not what they are primarily used for.
      However does anyone have any advice or video of how to loop correctly with them just off the table against chop, top and nothing?

      I know Patrick from TT11 blog often mentions this in his reviews so it must be possible!!

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      I think looping against backspin is pretty much the same as with inverted. You need a pretty open racket angle. Since there is less grip you Will almost lift the ball or you need to brush it hard to generate some spin.

      I think if you train this you Will know how. Proably better than read about it.

      Both opening against backspin and looping with short pimple is not good and should be avoided in my opinion.

      Against topspin you want to smash the ball. If you need to loop to much here you need to work on your footwork and take the ball at the highest point.

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      I was using Spectol blue at some time which is similar to red. Both are more of Medium pips and are more suitable for flat hits and blocks. You can`t efectively loop against topspin and dead balls, you have to take ball on rising and to hit it with good placement, so must stay close to table.
      "Looping" against backspin with Spectol blue a bit different compared to inverted it is more of a lift with open face without too much forward force. If the ball is above or around net level it could be flat hitted or rolled depending on depth of the shot.
      If you want more looping potential you could give a try SpinPips Red or Blue.

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      Raw pips like Spectol classic/Red/Blue requires different timing and mindset compared to typical shortpips, the spinny ones that behave like inverted.

      For topspin and especially no-spin, just flick/flathit/drive it. That's what shortpips are for. If you're good enough, even light backspin, like those from pushes, can be flat hit. The only thing to focus on is opening on strong backspin.
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      Used spectol red and opening vs backspin is good whether against service or push return. It bites the ball good.

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      cheers for the comments

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      Sometimes it is good to revisit old threads.

      I think a problem with short pimples and the ABS balls is that the balls tend to bounce lower in general, this can make the top of the bounce very low and hard to attack, I think this is one of the problems with spectol red. When I reflect and have not played so well with Spectol Red it has generally been with Butterfly balls and/or at not very spinny venues.

      With SP AX for example I can still lift a low ball, but it tend to go back like a not very good bh then which makes it a bit easy to attack.

      One good thing about the softer grippier type short pimples is you can keep the ball lower on pushes.

      It is a tricky conundrum, it is something I need to work out.

      I think Danisus is correct in saying that Spectol Red is kind of almost a medium pimple, I think this is why it is so effective for opponents who use a lot of spin.

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      looping with short pimples is perfectly possible, but don't expect to combine speed and spin as with inverted.
      Mima Ito is the best person to study.
      Interestingly in some matches she will execute spinny backhands with the Sp while mainly hitting extremely flat with her forehand.
      Her game perfectly illustrates the the great spin capabilities of Moristo Sp. Spectol is just not on the same page.

      when looping with sp pay attention to contacting at peak bounce if you want to make power.
      Last edited by pingpongpaddy; 02-12-2020 at 12:43 AM.

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