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    Quote Originally Posted by doppelganger_LT
    By the way, just tried Golden Tango PS vs the new tacky hybrid Rakza Z, maybe somebody will find this useful. Rakza Z feels quite close in hardness to the GTPS, but the arc of the Rakza Z is significantly higher and it's much easier to lift the ball on the topspin vs backspin - does not require as much brushing and provides some catapult.
    How do they compare in perceived hardness (not hardness rating)? Which is easier to handle in general?

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    Both feel very very similar in hardness, maybe Tango PS feels a hair softer on some shots, e. g. faster topsin or harder block. Rakza Z feels more alive, a little more bouncy but with superb short game control. Tango PS is a touch stickier, but it's easier to lift the ball with the Rakza Z.



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    How do they compare in perceived hardness (not hardness rating)? Which is easier to handle in general?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doppelganger_LT
    Both feel very very similar in hardness, maybe Tango PS feels a hair softer on some shots, e. g. faster topsin or harder block. Rakza Z feels more alive, a little more bouncy but with superb short game control. Tango PS is a touch stickier, but it's easier to lift the ball with the Rakza Z.
    thanks for the comparision, its really helpfully actually

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    After 8 hours of training I found Joola Golden Tango PS unusable on FH. It's a decent BH rubber though if someone really wants a semi tacky rubber :| I couldn't adapt to rubber softness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuba Hajto
    After 8 hours of training I found Joola Golden Tango PS unusable on FH. It's a decent BH rubber though if someone really wants a semi tacky rubber :| I couldn't adapt to rubber softness.
    If that's an issue, add a layer of concrete paste next time you re gluing a FH rubber.

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    I preferred the GT on the backhand side when I used it a year or so ago.
    later tried the GT PS which was also good, faster and more catapult, but I just liked the GT slightly more.
    both are good hybrid rubbers.

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    How is Golden Tango PS compared to FX-S in terms of speed, bounce and spin?

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    Golden Tango PS is much harder and faster. Golden Tango ps seemed spinner to me. I had the fxs for 10-15 minutes. Keep in mind big difference in hardness.

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    Okay cool, I'm looking for a medium Hard sponge like 'cj8000 36-38' degrees (But it's really medium hard). There was a used 'fx-p' rubber on a borrowing racket in the club. I squeezed it and it seemed just slightly softer than 'cj8000 36-38'. So if 'FX-S' is slightly harder, then I guess it's a match


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    How does the GT compare to a boosted hurricane 3 provincial. I use 2 layers of falcon.

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    How does the GT compare to a boosted hurricane 3 provincial. I use 2 layers of falcon.
    Hi,

    I have boosted H3 provincial but 37 degrees, boosted 2 layers glue plus 2 layers Seamoon. GT unboosted feels harder, less catapult, speed seems slower (I use it on BH) spin for both are comparable, I did try the GT on forehand and it’s just as fast as the H3, which contradicts when I said ‘speed seems slower’ but the FH is a different kettle of fish!! GT hard sponge is engaged more as you can impart more power on the FH side, then the rubber becomes faster and has a good amount of gears.

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    Got measurement of 35 degrees on brand new sheet of PS version. Shore A durometer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuba Hajto
    Got measurement of 35 degrees on brand new sheet of PS version. Shore A durometer.
    GT PS is listed as 50 degree on the Joola online shop, (shore O) which is close to 35 degrees Shore A
    GT is listed as 54 degree, about 41 degrees shore A

    have you checked the GT sponge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IB66
    GT PS is listed as 50 degree on the Joola online shop, (shore O) which is close to 35 degrees Shore A
    GT is listed as 54 degree, about 41 degrees shore A

    have you checked the GT sponge?
    35 I would guess is less then 50. My durometer shore O will arrive next week.

    Haggisv measured Golden Tango PS and its 55 Shore O according to him.
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    35 I would guess is less then 50. My durometer shore O will arrive next week.

    Haggisv measured Golden Tango PS and its 55 Shore O according to him.
    GT PS at 55 Or GT ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IB66
    GT PS at 55 Or GT ?
    As I said in the post you quoted, GT PS. https://tabletennis-reviews.com/refe...ardness-table/

    Here is the source. Maybe Joola has shitty quality control. Although upon inspection:
    Shore O = ESN + ~2.5

    My Shore O durometer is in transit, I will post results here when it arrives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuba Hajto
    As I said in the post you quoted, GT PS. https://tabletennis-reviews.com/refe...ardness-table/

    Here is the source. Maybe Joola has shitty quality control. Although upon inspection:
    Shore O = ESN + ~2.5

    My Shore O durometer is in transit, I will post results here when it arrives.
    If he measured GT PS at 55 shore O then definitely shitty quality control !!!!

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    If he measured GT PS at 55 shore O then definitely shitty quality control !!!!
    Not really. Vega China is marketed at 55 and measures 60. ESN just don't use Shore O. One of users here posted they might use asker scale or something like this. That's why I usually relate to it as ESN scale. Also there is some degree of variance between sponges. It won't be exactly that number.

    That's why I bought both Shore O and Shore A durometer, to test what hardness my rubber actually have. Aliexpress sellers prepare for disputes, lolz XD

    I am going also write a short article about actual hardnesses. I collected a lot of pieces of rubbers, I wonder what am I going to discover.

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    I have a Shore O durometer. I am pretty sure I measured Golden Tango PS at around 50° (I can't find my notes at the moment to confirm)

    For reference, I normally get a reading close to, or a degree higher than the ESN quoted hardness, which would suggest the sheet I had was 49/50° ESN

    Edit: it was 50°, I wrote about it the the third post on this thread: Tibhar-Hybrid-K1-European-Version

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sedis
    I have a Shore O durometer. I am pretty sure I measured Golden Tango PS at around 50° (I can't find my notes at the moment to confirm)

    For reference, I normally get a reading close to, or a degree higher than the ESN quoted hardness, which would suggest the sheet I had was 49/50° ESN

    Edit: it was 50°, I wrote about it the the third post on this thread: Tibhar-Hybrid-K1-European-Version

    which is as listed by joola, there’s definitely variances but 5 degrees seems a little wide of the mark for me!! That’s a big difference!!

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