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      Differences between stiff all wood and carbon blades

      So what are the differences between for example stratud power wood and a composite?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Turdytree View Post
      So what are the differences between for example stratud power wood and a composite?

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      A composite with the same stiffness as Stratus Powerwood is usually thinner.
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      Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel View Post
      A composite with the same stiffness as Stratus Powerwood is usually thinner.
      What about playing characteristics? How would a composite with carbon on outside/inside be different from all wood 7 ply like dhs pg7?

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      Since TSPWs are all TSPWs and carbon blades are as varied as varied can be, I am not sure you should trust the competence or sanity of anyone who thinks they can give you an answer.

      Can you choose a carbon blade that you would like the TSPW to be compared to? That will at least narrow things down a bit for people who would like to help you.
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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      Since TSPWs are all TSPWs and carbon blades are as varied as varied can be, I am not sure you should trust the competence or sanity of anyone who thinks they can give you an answer.

      Can you choose a carbon blade that you would like the TSPW to be compared to? That will at least narrow things down a bit for people who would like to help you.
      So im looking for a blade thats like tspw but with bigger sweet spot. Any suggestions?

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      With carbon, you can gain more stiffness with minimal increase in thickness. A 6mm Viscaria would have more stiffness than a 7mm Clipper. But what you gain in stiffness, you loose in vibration feedback.

      Same idea about your TSPW. For gains in one aspect, you loose in others. Nothing will feel the same and have bigger sweetspot. If you don't care much for a similar crisp feedback, one of the TBS, Viscaria, Treiber, Stradivarius will give you the "impression" of a larger sweetspot, more uniformity, but much less impact feel.
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      Personally, I don't like composites, feels "constipated", muffled. But sometimes others try my all woods and say it feels like diarrhea, too much unnecessary feedback. Your choice which direction you want to go.

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      I just want a tspw clone with bigger sweet spot

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      Hate to burst your bubble, but nothing will feel the same AND with larger sweetspot. Besides, "sweetspot" is just an illusion.

      Stiffer blades will feel like having larger sweetspots because 1: higher stiffness=more uniformity, 2: higher stiffness=less perceptible vibration. But everything is a balancing aact, you change 1 part, the others must change with it. So having a larger sweetspot WILL feel different.

      But different is not necessarily bad. A stiga clipper will have a bigger sweetspot, but feel completely "different" from your Samsonov (but not necessarily bad). Clipper: Fast, stiff, medium hardness, solid, linear/predictable, medium high uniformity, crisp, heavy. Compared with your TSPW: Medium speed, medium stiff, medium soft, hollow, springy, medium low uniformity, very crisp, light.

      Nothing will be better but the same. But try a few different blades of different characteristics and maybe you will find a "different" feel that is actually "better".
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      It's easier to learn to play with the sweet spot.

      Even if you take 10 TSPW, they all will have different sweet spot.
      If you take 10 clones, they will have different sweet spot too, some bigger, some smaller.
      The chance to find a blade with a bigger sweet spot is unknown, but there is a chance you have the blade with the smallest one.
      The bad thing is that there is a chance your blade to be with the biggest.

      So its better to try to play with the sweet spot.
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      But what is the use to have more stiffness with thinner blade ?

      Is it because stiffness and flexibility are not the same ? And thinner = more flexible ?

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      If you want a big sweetspot, i think an all Wood blade would be best since it have more feeling. I think you Will feel the ball better and therefore have more control and it gives you basically the same thing as a big sweetspot.

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      More stiffness=more uniformity thus larger sweet spot, usually faster, and less feedback (feel).

      All else being equal, yes thinner=more flexible, but it really depends on materials. A thin and stiff blade avoids a bit of the hollow feel of thick and stiff blades, also saves some weight.

      But this is getting off topic. Finding something the same but different is not possible. Please tell us what characteristics you find most important and what areas you are willing to give up, then someone will give you a much more informed opinion. Ie, are you willing to give up crisp/clear feedback for a larger sweetspot (get a viscaria or any other alc-type)? Are you willing to accept more weight and a harder feel for a larger sweetspot (get a clipper or any other thick 7-ply)? If you are not willing to give up crispness and weight, are you willing to accept a softer/hollow matchbox feeling (Get a Cornilleau Foco Off+ or any other very thick 5-plies)?

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      Composite materials such as carbon makes the blade more stiff without adding more thickness to the blade.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Turdytree View Post
      So im looking for a blade thats like tspw but with bigger sweet spot. Any suggestions?
      Have you tried Korbel or OSP Virtuoso Plus?

      Also bigger head size will give bigger feeling. You could ask OSP to make a V+ with a 159x152mm head size. It will be more head heavy but it will feel great on ball contact.
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      Quote Originally Posted by yogi_bear View Post
      Composite materials such as carbon makes the blade more stiff without adding more thickness to the blade.
      So, what is your opinion about special wood treatments (like Stiga VPS and Diamond Touch). Does that achieve the same result? (More stiff without adding thickness)


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      It adds surface hardness but not much on overall stiffness of the blade.

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      Generally speaking, in a 5 ply allwood blade, stiffness depends on the core, hardness depends on the top ply, and the ply between them mediate their properties.
      And there is an enormous number of factors, defining the resulting overall performance.

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