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Tokyo 2020 will be played with the new Olympic playing system. The playing order will be as following:
BC vs YZ (Doubles);
A vs X;
C vs Z;
A vs Y;
B vs X
There will be no break during the team match because all 5 matches will be fixed after the toss procedure. The team match consist of maximum 1 doubles and 4 singles matches.
I understand it is up to JNT coach to decide who from advanced players will play doubles and who 2 singles?For Hayata to go, Ishikawa has to go.
The problem boils down to the doubles. Both Ishikawa and Hayata are left-handed, making it naturally difficult.
In case of Ishikawa/Ito/Hayata, they will essentially be limited to Ishikawa/Ito and Ito/Hayata for doubles. In either case, Ito will have to give up 1 singles. If they go with Ito/Hayata, Ishikawa will more than likely drop 2 points. Whatever the case and draw, the doubles will be a must-win for Japan. After that, Hayata and Ito must win their singles. You need a miracle for that to happen.
The roles of doubles and the 3rd player are just too important now.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...for-Tokyo-2020&p=220496&viewfull=1#post220496
New Olympic playing system:
For Hayata to go, Ishikawa has to go.
The problem boils down to the doubles. Both Ishikawa and Hayata are left-handed, making it naturally difficult.
In case of Ishikawa/Ito/Hayata, they will essentially be limited to Ishikawa/Ito and Ito/Hayata for doubles. In either case, Ito will have to give up 1 singles. If they go with Ito/Hayata, Ishikawa will more than likely drop 2 points. Whatever the case and draw, the doubles will be a must-win for Japan. After that, Hayata and Ito must win their singles. You need a miracle for that to happen.
The roles of doubles and the 3rd player are just too important now.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...for-Tokyo-2020&p=220496&viewfull=1#post220496
New Olympic playing system:
I agree that the scenario of sending Ishikawa, Hayata, and Ito has its limitations, but I don't think the doubles problem is as bad as other potential combinations such as a lineup of Hirano, Ishikawa, and Ito.
- The Ishikawa/Hirano doubles combination has had shaky results. Not only does this pairing lose in the middle rounds of the All Japan Championships, but it has also lost to the North Korean Pair of Jeon Jihee/Yang Haeun twice, and to the North Korean pair of Cha Hyo Sim/Kim Nam Hae. They may also have a hard time in the Olympics against Germany with Shan Xiaona/Petrissa Solja and the Hong Kong Team who is known to focus a lot on doubles.
- If you go with Ishikawa/Ito, then Hirano has to play 2 singles matches, and her record against foreigners is shaky compared to Ito or Ishikawa's record. The Ishikawa/Ito doubles pairing also hasn't achieved the success that the Hayata/Ito pairing has achieved. Hayata/Ito hasn't lost to an non-Chinese pair since the Korean Open of 2017.
- If you go with Hirano/Ito, you have the same problem as Hayata/Ishikawa where two players with the same playing hand are playing doubles together.
In essence, the Ishikawa, Hayata, Ito lineup is a long shot to defeat the Chinese Team, but honestly, any lineup that the JNT puts forward is bound to be a heavy underdog against China. At least this lineup in generally more stable against non-Chinese teams.
The other interesting prospect is Hayata, Ito, Hirano, but that might be too bold for the JTTA to consider sending to the Olympics. Hayata/Hirano has beaten 2 pairs with Chinese players in the past, and it also allows Ito, who had the strongest record against Chinese players last year, to play two singles matches. It's a hit-or-miss lineup, but it's very intriguing.
Mika Baba needs to use the World Team Cup this November to experiment with different lineups. In the World Team Cup, at least Japan will have 5 players to choose from, so they can send a different lineup per match to see which one could work the best for the Olympics. During the Olympics, you're pretty much stuck fielding the same 3 players each match. The 4th player (the alternate) can only play if any of the 3 players sustains a serious injury or becomes so ill that he cannot play, and a medical certificate is needed, so Japan can't fake it either. That's why Japan cannot mess up this selection.
That means you cannot change players during whole tournament…? I think it does not have to be like this, you have some players in the basket and it is up to you (coach) to decide who is going to play doubles and singles for each match.
The other thing is as I remember ito/hirano played doubles together few years ago with good results.
The most important thing is who china is going to send. Now they have too many great players. Most of them besides Ding Ning were rarely lost to foreigners. Of course the easiest oponent for any of them is ishikawa and hirano. Ito is tougher but hayata we do not know, since she did not meet any of chinese since january win.
I think china is going to send Liu shiwen, Cheng meng, wang manyu.
1. How about injuries - is there no rule to change player who is injured or ill before the match starts? in that case they could replace somebodyYes, it's a maximum of 3 players per team. You can change the lineups of who plays doubles and singles every match, but you're stuck with the same 3 players throughout the team tournament. For example, if Japan's initial lineup is Hirano, Ishikawa and Ito, and Ito for example is having a rough tournament, they can't replace Ito with Hayata for the next match and send another 3-player lineup. That's why the 3 player quota is very cruel on strong Table Tennis nations like China and Japan, who could probably field more than 3 players who deserve to be in the Olympics. China's dilemma of who to send to Tokyo is probably even more complex than Japan's dilemma because it has so many good players, but at least they can rest assured that whoever they send will still be the favorites to win Gold.
I also believe an Ito/Hirano doubles pairing has potential. Their last match was a close 3-2 loss to Sun Yingsha and Chen Xingtong in last year's Qatar Open. It would be wise for JTTA to send this pairing to World Tour events to test if this pairing is viable. Remember, Hirano and Ito have both developed and tweaked their playing styles since 2014 to 2015, so it's not automatic that this pair would make a good doubles team today just because they were a good pairing 4 years ago.
1. How about injuries - is there no rule to change player who is injured or ill before the match starts? in that case they could replace somebody
2. apart from that - they still can mix with 3 players they send, let's say ishikawa, ito and hayata. So for instance untill final ishikawa plays 2 singles and hayata with ito doubles. in the final, ishikawa play doubles with weaker player let's say hayata, so ito can play 2 singles.
For me whoever they send the probability of wining with china is close to 0 now, but we will see. Young players will definitely work hard to pick the form for the olympics.
Last time japan male team were quite close to beat china. This old system had some good strategic points. After JM defeated XX it was 1:1, if they just could win doubles, there was high probability in the last match JM defeat ZJK (who was not in best form that time)
For Hayata to go, Ishikawa has to go.
The problem boils down to the doubles. Both Ishikawa and Hayata are left-handed, making it naturally difficult.
In case of Ishikawa/Ito/Hayata, they will essentially be limited to Ishikawa/Ito and Ito/Hayata for doubles. In either case, Ito will have to give up 1 singles. If they go with Ito/Hayata, Ishikawa will more than likely drop 2 points. Whatever the case and draw, the doubles will be a must-win for Japan. After that, Hayata and Ito must win their singles. You need a miracle for that to happen.
The roles of doubles and the 3rd player are just too important now.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...for-Tokyo-2020&p=220496&viewfull=1#post220496
New Olympic playing system:
This is not true. Ishikawa gets two singles but Ito and Hayata get one each as well as the doubles. If they can't win they can't win. Nothing to do with Ishikawa.
If they go with Ito/Hayata, Ishikawa will more than likely drop 2 points. Whatever the case and draw, the doubles will be a must-win for Japan. After that, Hayata and Ito must win their singles. You need a miracle for that to happen.
JPN as ABC | JPN as XYZ | ||
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Scenario 1 | Scenario 2 | Scenario 1 | Scenario 2 |
Ito/Hayata Ishikawa Hayata Ishikawa Ito | Hayata/Ito Ishikawa Ito Ishikawa Hayata | Ito/Hayata Ishikawa Hayata Ito Ishikawa | Hayata/Ito Ishikawa Ito Hayata Ishikawa |
Talk to me when you're sober.
JPN as ABC JPN as XYZ Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Ito/Hayata
Ishikawa
Hayata
Ishikawa
ItoHayata/Ito
Ishikawa
Ito
Ishikawa
HayataIto/Hayata
Ishikawa
Hayata
Ito
IshikawaHayata/Ito
Ishikawa
Ito
Hayata
Ishikawa
totaly 16 Times in her career out of 103.@Sali when did Ishikawa win against a Chinese player ?
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ABC 1 XYZ 2 | ABC 1 | XYZ 1 | XYZ 2 |