Japan Women's Race to Tokyo 2020 Singles

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I guess that closes the discussion of who are the candidates for men's singles on the men's side. Who did the CNT send on the women's side? That also says a lot.

From the Official T2Diamond Weibo post above, these players are confirmed.

https://www.weibo.com/6063330150/Hz...&mod=weibotime&type=comment#_rnd1560952757529
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XX
FZD
Harimoto
Boll
Mizutani
Calderano

https://www.weibo.com/6063330150/Hz...&mod=weibotime&type=comment#_rnd1560952653997
DN
Ishikawa
ZYL
Szocs
FTW
Ito
 
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Those don't matter here. What matters here is that China don't want Ito to play singles. They want Ishikawa. Once she qualifies for the singles, Japan will be forced to choose Ito over Hayata for the team. That will essentially take out the strongest pair for singles(Ito, Hirano), team(Ito/Hirano/Hayata), and mixed doubles(Harimoto/Hayata). 3 birds with 1 stone.

Fully agree with you ....
 
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From the Official T2Diamond Weibo post above, these players are confirmed.

https://www.weibo.com/6063330150/Hz...&mod=weibotime&type=comment#_rnd1560952757529
ML
XX
FZD
Harimoto
Boll
Mizutani
Calderano

https://www.weibo.com/6063330150/Hz...&mod=weibotime&type=comment#_rnd1560952653997
DN
Ishikawa
ZYL
Szocs
FTW
Ito

Is there an official list of confirmed members of the Malaysian Diamond other than Weibo?
(JTTA for example published an official list of participants ....)
 
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With most of the top players in the World Tour Standings are Chinese and only a few of them are going to participate in the T2, Ishikawa will be able to join all 3 T2 tournaments basically.
 
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If not all Chinese women who get the necessary points will participate, then yes .....
Previously, it was correctly written that China, in principle, does not need these points for Diamond ......
 
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Classic example of Deus ex machina for Ishikawa. Definition from Wikipedia: "Deus ex machina is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected and seemingly unlikely occurrence, typically so much as to seem contrived."

The way everyone has been reacting makes it seem that Ito losing her singles spot is a foregone conclusion. However, in my opinion, Ito is still leading the race if you consider that she's played only 6 events as compared to Ishikawa's 7 events and Hirano's 8 events. Ito's advantage is her WTTC 2018 result, which merited her 2000 points, which is the most a Japanese player will probably get from a single event (unless someone unexpectedly wins a WT Platinum event). In a ranking system that only counts the Top 8 results, getting more ranking points from a single event is more advantageous since the lower results can be replaced. To illustrate, let's say player A played 2 tournaments and got 2000 and 500 points for a total of 2500 points. Player B got 1250 and 1250 points from the same 2 tournaments also for a total of 2500 points. Player A has the higher upside to gain more ranking points. Why? In the next tournament, let's say both players got 1500 points. Player A lowest result of 500 points will be replaced while Player B's lowest result of 1250 will be replaced by the same 1500 points. Player A will end up with more total points all thanks to her single event giving her massive points in one sitting.

Certainly, Ito has less breathing room now, but as long as she doesn't crumble horribly, she should be fine. I used my excel sheet to compute possible scenarios should Ishikawa and Hirano both finish as semi-finalists in the World Cup, but Ito would still lead them by a few hundred points as long as she can finish in the QF in at least two more World Tour events. This is contingent on Ishikawa and Hirano not progressing further than the QF in the World Tour events, which should be the case as long as China continues to control the top 4-5 positions in the WR and there's no "match-fixing."

In fact, I still believe Hirano is more in danger of losing her spot to Ishikawa than Ito is. Hirano is still the 9th seed and will face Chinese players or Ito/Ishikawa in the R16 of World Tour events at the latest. Furthermore, she's not going to be a Top 4 seed for the World Cup, which makes a SF finish more difficult for her. She has a 50% of meeting a Chinese player in the QF. She has a 25% chance of meeting Ishikawa. In this matchup, only the winner can get the lion's share of the WR points, while the loser gets less points due to a QF finish. Based on my computations, Ito will still have more WR points than whoever loses that match. Hirano has a 25% chance of meeting Cheng I-Ching and Hirano isn't that heavily favored over her since Cheng has beaten Top Japanese players in the past and has even beaten some lower-ranked Chinese players.

Assuming seeding in the first T2 Diamond event is based on WT standings, Ito is favored to make at least the QF since she won't face a Chinese player in the first round due to her seeding. Ishikawa and Hirano are in the bottom 8 of the WT standings for the T2 qualifiers so they need luckier draws to make it further in the tournament.

One thing to consider, however, is the World Team Cup. The player chosen to play the first singles match is expected to get at least 1200 points (4 wins for 4 rounds with 300 points for each win.) This is if Coach Baba doesn't rotate the player chosen to play 2 singles matches for the entire duration of the tournament. This would give the player chosen to play 2 singles matches an unfair advantage over her teammates since she would essentially play more matches than her teammates in the same tournament, which will lead her to more wins and more ranking points.
 
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Good analysis ....
But I believe that by the end of the year, China will take the first 6 positions in the ITTF rating list ..
Anyway, S.Y.S. theoretically has the ability to take 6th place ...She is declared in Korea and Australia ....She currently has 7th and 8th results small ...Has the right to participate in the Diamond ....Another thing is whether she will be allowed to rise so high ....(where, for example, is last year's Grand Final Xintong finalist now?She is not even declared in Korea and Australia ..)
 
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Everything could be fine with your analysis if Ito does not meet chinese player in opening round and this can happen as long as china send many players for tournaments.

That's right ... In this case, the results are 50:50 if Ito is in good shape .....
And I trust the opinion of L.G.L., Li Sun and Guo Yan ... .....Very, very experienced coaches ....We know their opinion about Ito ....

In fact, the only one who represents a real threat to China's women's table tennis....
 
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That's right ... In this case, the results are 50:50 if Ito is in good shape .....
And I trust the opinion of L.G.L., Li Sun and Guo Yan ... .....Very, very experienced coaches ....We know their opinion about Ito ....
In fact, the only one who represents a real threat to China's women's table tennis....

Despite what the Chinese coaches say, we don't know how they actually rate Ito behind closed doors.
Judging from the recent matches Ito had against CNT players, Chinese coaches have quite successfully developed a counter to her style. Only time will tell if Ito can evolve and overcome this.
 
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Despite what the Chinese coaches say, we don't know how they actually rate Ito behind closed doors.
Judging from the recent matches Ito had against CNT players, Chinese coaches have quite successfully developed a counter to her style. Only time will tell if Ito can evolve and overcome this.

Actually, in various ways, we do. No need to make it sound like we don't hear from the players themselves how much they practice dealing with her with the pips practice partners and how the pips players have gotten more prominence because of Ito's rise.

Dealing with a threat successfully is not an indication it was never a serious threat. In fact, I still take Li Xiaoxia's summary of the situation as pretty much complete. Li said pips are inferior to inverted and that will always cap Ito, but Ito as a player herself is very talented. Li believes that China's superior resource depth and the flexibility of inverted looping will win out.

So none of the coaches believe that they shouldn't beat Ito. But all of them also regard Ito as a legitimate threat. There is no need to make it seem that China has a hidden agenda. Gu Yuting after barely beating Ito also pushed her teammates in tough matches, taking 3 game off Chen Meng who she hadn't taken a game off in years.

So I take Guo Yan at her word 100%. Same with Li Sun and the other coaches. You won't hear them discussing Ishikawa the way they discuss Ito.
 
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Everything could be fine with your analysis if Ito does not meet chinese player in opening round and this can happen as long as china send many players for tournaments.

Very true, but Ishikawa and Hirano have equal chances of meeting a Chinese player in the opening round as well. The chances of Ito drawing Chinese players consistently while at the same time, both Hirano and Ishikawa consistently avoid a Chinese player over a span of several tournaments is low. Moreover, Ito still has a fighting chance in matches against Chinese players if ever they do meet. Ishikawa and Hirano are almost guaranteed to lose if ever they do draw a Chinese player based on track record.
 
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