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      Quote Originally Posted by Takkyu_wa_inochi View Post
      WTF Hayata was the last non-CNT player to beat the World Champion (in style !)... Kato went there , lost to LSW and although she fought and managed to get one game, she was never in a position to win or even to challenge seriously LSW
      Quote Originally Posted by pongfugrasshopper View Post
      To be fair, Hayata had just won the Oman Open with the Finals being on Sun. Mar 24. She then lost to qualifier Yoo Eunchong 3 days later Wed. Mar 27 in a seven game match at the Qatar Open so fatigue could have been a factor. Yoo Eunchong is not a bad player. She also lost in 7 games to Doo Hoi Kem at the WTTC.
      Yes but it was not the torunament where LSW took part. Of course she defeat some good players including Chen i ching and Hirano but they are not chinese players. There is very easy Way to get ticket to olympics, if she is Such good she Will win all platinum events in 2019.

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      Hayata gets 850 pts for winning Serbia Open. 3750 still puts her far behind the leading pack, but will at least get her a better draw later on.

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      Alas ... Bye (-500) to the rating ....
      This month China Open will take place, but, unfortunately, the chances of getting into the main grid are very small ...
      Then the rating of Hina Hayata in June will be 7318 ....

      In June, Hina Hayata will have a deduction (-1080)
      Participation - Hong Kong Open, Japan Open ...In both tournaments she must pass the qualification .....
      And for example in Hong Kong Open announced 13 Chinese women, almost the full composition of the second and third team ....
      Do not be surprised if in Hong Kong the semi-final will be completely Chinese ....

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      Do players not get more points for beating higher ranked players? Or are points solely dependent on how far you progress in a tournament? The former seems to make more sense.

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      The new ITTF rating system is based solely on how far the player has advanced in the tournament ...

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      Quote Originally Posted by driversbeat View Post
      Do players not get more points for beating higher ranked players? Or are points solely dependent on how far you progress in a tournament? The former seems to make more sense.
      Oh, you must've missed this.

      https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...l=1#post216910

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      Updated JNT Standings for 2020 After Serbia Open
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      Hayata seems to be making a run for Challenge Series Queen of 2019, and it's not a bad strategy to get her ranking up. Sato was the Challenge Series Queen of 2017 and it helped her crack the Top 10 in 2017. In 2018, Shibata was the Queen of the Challenge Series, and it helped her crack the Top 15 this year. If Hayata keeps this up, she may be seeded for the last few tournaments of the year, which will greatly help her Olympic chances.

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      Fully agree with you ..
      Of course, you remember the interview with Hayata after her defeat Kato Miu ....After this defeat, she was unable to perform in WS at the WTTC ....Hayata in an interview directly said - the main problem for her this year is the low current rating ..
      And to raise the rating because of the new ITTF ranking system is much more difficult than before ....
      Plus, changes in the tactics of the Chinese team ....Take for example Hong Kong Open, which will soon be .....13 Chinese women, almost the entire second and third women's team ...
      We wish good luck to Hina Hayata!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Vlad Celler View Post
      Fully agree with you ..
      Of course, you remember the interview with Hayata after her defeat Kato Miu ....After this defeat, she was unable to perform in WS at the WTTC ....Hayata in an interview directly said - the main problem for her this year is the low current rating ..
      And to raise the rating because of the new ITTF ranking system is much more difficult than before ....
      Plus, changes in the tactics of the Chinese team ....Take for example Hong Kong Open, which will soon be .....13 Chinese women, almost the entire second and third women's team ...
      We wish good luck to Hina Hayata!
      Current system does require players to play more tournaments in order to keep their ranking. This could result in more injuries. However, if health isn't an issue, I feel like good players now have more opportunities to play against the Chinese. This is a good thing. The more often you play against them, the more likely you are to beat them (IMHO).

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      I wonder why then that Ito, Hirano and Ishikawa choose to sit out of the easier Challenge Opens when their participation would easily knock Hayata out of the race to Tokyo. I mean yes preventing injuries and prep time is important but with the Olympics at stake and the girls still so young it would seem like logical step.

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      Because of "best 8" limit.

      With the new ranking, there's a fixed, hence predictable, amount of points available for players to accrue. Take Qatar Open for example, Ito, due to her high seeding, was set to finish QF(which she did) at a minimum. Because of the Platinum tier, her QF finish earned her more points than Hayata's wins at the two Challenge Plus stops.

      In a nutshell, high risk, high reward. Ito, Hirano and Ishikawa have much more to gain from a good draw(bad draw for CNT) in a World Tour (Platinum) stop given their rankings.

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      Do not forget about the deduction of old overdue points ... ....
      For example, in Ito, when calculating the rating for June 2019, (-1800) + (- 1440) = (- 3240) will be deducted ...
      There is, of course, a reserve ...And participation in China Platinum .....
      Simply put, in order not to drop the rating for June, Ito needs ONLY a victory in China .... Otherwise, a fall ....

      ((and by the August rating Ito has a few big deductions ...)

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      Quote Originally Posted by Vlad Celler View Post
      Do not forget about the deduction of old overdue points ... ....
      For example, in Ito, when calculating the rating for June 2019, (-1800) + (- 1440) = (- 3240) will be deducted ...
      There is, of course, a reserve ...And participation in China Platinum .....
      Simply put, in order not to drop the rating for June, Ito needs ONLY a victory in China .... Otherwise, a fall ....

      ((and by the August rating Ito has a few big deductions ...)
      Not too worried there. All players will see similar deductions as their points from 2018 expire and get replaced by those from the new point-table in 2019.

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      Of course, all the players and their coaches are fully aware ....

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      One big caution for the top players is the larger point gap. For WTP/WT, SF and QF are where the curve breaks away. Whoever reaches the SF and beyond will enjoy a small but substantial advantage down the road.

      Code:
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      | WTP/WT |  2019 |  2018 |
      +--------+-------+-------+
      | 1st    |  100% |  100% |
      | 2nd    |  80%  |  90%  |
      | SF     |  65%  |  80%  |
      | QF     |  50%  |  70%  |
      | R16    |  40%  |  60%  |
      | R32    |  30%  |  50%  |
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      | WTGF |  2019 |  2018 |
      +------+-------+-------+
      | 1st  |  100% |  100% |
      | 2nd  |  80%  |  90%  |
      | SF   |  65%  |  80%  |
      | QF   |  50%  |  70%  |
      | R16  |  40%  |  60%  |
      +------+-------+-------+
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      | WC  |  2019 |  2018 |
      +-----+-------+-------+
      | 1st |  100% |  100% |
      | 2nd |  75%  |  90%  |
      | 3rd |  65%  |  80%  |
      | 4th |  60%  |  75%  |
      | QF  |  50%  |  70%  |
      | R16 |  40%  |  60%  |
      +-----+-------+-------+
      Code:
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      | WTTC |  2019 |  2018 |
      +------+-------+-------+
      | 1st  |  100% |  100% |
      | 2nd  |  85%  |  90%  |
      | SF   |  65%  |  80%  |
      | QF   |  50%  |  70%  |
      | R16  |  40%  |  60%  |
      | R32  |  30%  |  50%  |
      | R64  |  20%  |  40%  |
      | R128 |  15%  |  30%  |
      +------+-------+-------+

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      Quote Originally Posted by zeio View Post
      One big caution for the top players is the larger point gap. For WTP/WT, SF and QF are where the curve breaks away. Whoever reaches the SF and beyond will enjoy a small but substantial advantage down the road.
      I think the change in the ranking points table in 2019 was ITTF's way of addressing complaints that the new world ranking system rewarded participation too much. Now, there's a bigger gap between a Winner of an event and a R32 or R16 exit, so winning an event this year actually has a greater impact than last year since it creates a bigger gap between you and the other players who exited earlier. It's not enough to simply participate and get knocked out early because this year's ranking points for early round exits are minuscule compared to last year's.

      Last year, winning a challenge series gave you 900 points, which is equivalent to a R32 exit in a World Tour event. In a platinum event, you would get 1125 points for a R32 exit. Those who exited early in Platinum World Tour events still got more points than the winner of a challenge series! This is a case where you get more points from simply participating than from winning.

      This year, winning a challenge plus series gives you 1100 points, which is almost equivalent to a QF finish in a World Tour Platinum event (1125 points) and a SF finish in a regular World Tour event (1170 points). There is a greater premium now in winning challenge series events as compared to last year because you actually and deservedly get more points than a person who simply participates in a World Tour Platinum event and loses early.

      As the year goes on, more and more of each player's "inflated ranking points" from simply "participating" and losing early in last year's events will expire. This will make the ranking points won by Challenge Series winners like Hayata and Kato more valuable towards the end of the year. Today, most players' rankings are being kept afloat by their R32 and R16 exit points from last year's world tour events, but once these expire, their world rankings will take a severe hit unless they can make deep runs in the World Tour (QF or better).

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      Thank you for sharing this information

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      ......As the year goes on, more and more of each player's "inflated ranking points" from simply "participating" and losing early in last year's events will expire. This will make the ranking points won by Challenge Series winners like Hayata and Kato more valuable towards the end of the year. Today, most players' rankings are being kept afloat by their R32 and R16 exit points from last year's world tour events, but once these expire, their world rankings will take a severe hit unless they can make deep runs in the World Tour (QF or better).

      Very accurately noted ....

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      Something I just do not understand the policy of ITTF .....

      Seamaster 2019 ITTF World Tour, Hang Seng Hong Kong Open

      58 ODO Satsuki JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:12
      59 SOMA Yumeno JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:12
      60 NAKAMORI Honami JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:12
      61 KIHARA Miyuu JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:13
      62 NAGASAKI Miyu JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:13
      63 OJIO Haruna JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:13
      64 HASHIMOTO Honoka JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:13
      65 ANDO Minami JPN W - - Yes 2019-05-10 12:50
      66 HAYATA Hina JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:14
      67 SHIOMI Maki JPN W WL - No 2019-05-10 13:14
      68 MORI Sakura JPN W WL

      Hina Hayata in the waiting list ... And most likely will not be allowed ...So try to score points, raise the rating .... Enchanted circle .....

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      Updated JNT Standings for 2020 After Croatia Open
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      The impact on the race to Tokyo is minimal in challenge series events unless you actually win the tournament because of the new WR points table. Let's see if Shibata or Sato have better luck in Thailand.

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