Table Tennis has turned into an expensive commercialised crap

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I honestly for once would love to see one day a world tournament where everyone has to play with the same equipment. Everyone will slam me for saying that because they all love the variety in terms of equipment and think that this is so great. But I believe Boll is actually right that CNT actually do have an access to equipment that isn't exactly the same from anywhere else.

I'm not saying that Ma Long isn't the goat, and that their technique isn't the best in the world. I'm saying just look at the sport like tenis and there's usually a pure skill involved, no pretentious equipment that makes a different impact depending on the equipment.

It sparks all these debates about the short pips used by Falck and going to the final or H3 National used by Ma Long etc. Even though the two of these played with entirely different equipment I actually didn't find it that interesting. If at least there was one tournament where everyone had to play with the same rackets (and even the ones that were medium speed which would make rallies probably even more interesting), rather than all of these commercialised expensive crap that gets quickly worn out after a few months of playing.

I had the most fun with table tennis when we played it at school and none of us had any of these ridiculous expensive super fast rackets that cost you 300$. All of us had just simple rackets that can do some moderate spin and that was the most fun game I'd ever played.

I'd find the matches a lot more interesting if the most top skilled in the world players fought against each other with medium speed rackets. 90% of the current rallies are ended in a short no-spin or little spin serve, and then a 3rd kill-shot attack. With everyone fighting against each other there would be a lot less pretentiousness, and would undisputably reveal who is truly the most skilled and the best player out there.

I have no doubt Ma Long or other from CNT would still be on top. But I'm saying at least the rallies would involve perhaps running and chasing after the ball, like occasionally you see right now which is only perhaps 5% of the entire match. The rest are just a boring serve and kill shots and if you watch Chinese super league they are even worse because players are taught to just always return the ball with maximum high risk power and so 95% of the rallies don't have more than 2-3 returns.

I know you have the ping pong now with hard-bats, but that isn't exactly the same... I do like a little spin, whereas hard bats tends to have too many hard-hitting, even when they're looping there's more contact required and less brushing which makes looping quite rare and harder to make.

However watch Chinese super league and it's about a serve, backhand flick and the 3rd shot is almost always an all-out top-spin which is either a kill-shot or goes outside the table and flies at 100km/h.
 
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In my opinion blades and especially rubbers are proably alot like eachother. That there are not so much difference between them. Atleast with rubbers in the same category.

Of course the pros proably get better stuff than us mortals But i have a hard time believing that is What makes them better than us. They would proably perform really well with the equipment We can get our hands on too.

I can agree that the equipment is very expensive.

I think there is less spin in the game and more just bang bang on everything because of the bigger ball. Proably more finesse and variation in the game before.
 
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The point of the thread is not complaining that some players win because of better equipment.

I'm saying that if there was at least one tournament where everyone played with the same rackets that would be a lot slower than now, would be more interesting to watch and a lot more evident who's skill is truly the best. As then it would be solely based on skill and be just clearly evident for everyone. Which kinda in a way ping-pong is but again hard-bats aren't that satisfactory and fun to watch either. I'm talking about something in the middle between ping-pong hard bats and current table tennis.

The whole argument of the thread is about that the use of overly fast rubbers makes most of the rallies uninteresting.
 
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I feel your pain and share your sentiment. Don't think for a minute, though, that equipment disparity isn't a factor in other sports, like tennis.

In horse racing, the equestrians don't get to ride the same horse. In car racing (which isn't a sport in my book, but then again some seem to differ) the drivers don't get the same cars. In tennis, I'd say an amazing display of rackets (and head sizes, grip sizes, grip tapes, ...) and strings and string tensions exist, and I'd be amazed if Federer's rackets aren't very, very specifically tuned to his game.

I'd be open to the idea of levelling the playing field. But that's not so easy, and maybe not even fair. Take Boll and Gauzy, for example. If a medium-stiff ALC blade with a medium-hard outer veneer were selected, that would play to Boll's hand. If a more rigid 7-ply all-wood with hard outers is chosen, Gauzy's style benefits. Let's move this little thought experiment a bit further, and consider for example Xu Xin and Joo Saehyuk. Different styles, different needs; which one will you give the upper hand?
 
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1st thought..... Watch Ping Pong.

I know you've mentioned it, but it sounds like you want a sport which is absolutely perfect for what YOU want to see.

2nd thought is similar to Lula.

The equipment isn't all that different.

The forums make such a big deal of different rubbers and blades etc - But in reality, the differences are small.

We do have the "short pips" debate because of Falck, and I like the fact something a bit different has come along and challenged the elite/conventional carbon blade with inverted rubbers.

But yeah, this whole thing is a bit of a non starter to be honest - I'm sure we'd all love to see longer rallies, but again.... watch Ping Pong.
 

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There is a world champs of ping pong. Everyone plays with sandpaper and the winner gets a lot of money. Perhaps you've heard of it?
 
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Like I've mentioned, rubber produces nice satisfactory feeling, the modern rubbers have increased the speed of the ball to ridiculous proportions and shortened the rallies.

Hard bats suck.

Something in the middle between hard bat ping pong and table tennis but without the 300$ top shelf equipment but rather medium speed rackets.
 
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I think Yoass's point hit the nail on the head. And as I was reading the OP's thought, I couldn't help but think "World Championship Of Ping Pong is basically exactly what this guy is looking for." So props to bricec.

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Post edit. Now just read "hardbats suck"... Sigh. Okay we tried our best.

So then i go back to yoass's comment.

Who gets to benefit most with whatever reasonably priced blade & rubbers we choose?

Is it a blade with 1 side inverted & long pips? Then I like Joo se hyuk's chances to be #1 in the world.
Is it inverted & short pips? Then congratulations to Mattas. You're probably the best now.
Is it just dual inverted? Okay I'll take Ma Long.

on & on.

The variation in equipment I think adds to the game. And if I'm looking for a brand where it's all pretty much equal then World Championship Of Ping Pong.
 
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I don't think the speed of the rubbers make as much difference to the pace of the game as you think.

The game has been heavily based on the first 3 shots for decades now.

It was only ever a factor of you much spin you can generate, and how much we had figured how ambitious we are allowed to be on attacking shorter/backspinny balls.

Slower bats just mean people are going to take bigger swings (which i am in no way against), but it won't fundamentally change the the dynamic of how long the points last.

As the game has matured and we've figured things out, it has always evolved towards seizing the first opportunity to attack and either outright win or take control of the point, and that is unlikely to change as long as you have rubbers grippy/tacky enough to do that.

The intent of the larger ball was to make rallies longer by slowing down the game. It is clear it hasn't happened. People have just put more effort in (or take the ball earlier) to achieve pretty much exactly same speeds and this has just resulted in more physicallity in the game than there has ever been (which i think is great).

The reason this doesn't happen in ping pong, is that the sandpaper doesn't give you enough grip to draw major errors on return, or to effectively attack a serve with a banana flick, it is not because the bats are slow, it's because they don't have enough spin. The reason why the game was slower in high school, is that we were bad, and we couldn't consistently attack in the first 3 balls.
 
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the modern rubbers have increased the speed of the ball to ridiculous proportions and shortened the rallies.

Not to sound like a jerk but I really don't know about that.
I stopped playing table tennis around 18 years ago, picked it up again september '18.
I can tell you that the rallies are much longer than they used to be and the game much slower, though it's probably more because of the ball than because of the rubbers.

Basically, I feel (but may very well be wrong) that if anything the modern tensor and whatnot rubbers just give you back part of what used to be the norm.
 
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If you look at Boll vs Ma Lin with their overglued rubbers and 38mm cell ball, I’d say that was at least as fast...
 

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It's hard to tell if the OP wants these things so they can use it themselves, or if it's because they want to watch the pro's use this stuff and have longer rallies etc.....

If it's so you can use it yourself - You can already buy cheap, medium speed blades and rubbers.

If you want the pros to use this so you can enjoy watching epic rallies every point..... That's just not ever gonna happen.

It's like asking footballers to only score 30 yard wonder goals, or NFL players to score 80 had + touch downs every time.

Sure, you do get these big exciting plays - Just like you do in Table Tennis.

If this happened every point, it would lose the excitement in my opinion.
 
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Not to sound like a jerk but I really don't know about that.
I stopped playing table tennis around 18 years ago, picked it up again september '18.
I can tell you that the rallies are much longer than they used to be and the game much slower, though it's probably more because of the ball than because of the rubbers.

Basically, I feel (but may very well be wrong) that if anything the modern tensor and whatnot rubbers just give you back part of what used to be the norm.

I agree. I stopped playing during the 38mm ball era. When I started again 3 years ago, everything felt so different. Slower and less spin for sure. I had to forget my old loop techniques and learn completely new strokes based on the new equipment. Now I use carbon blades with boosted tacky rubbers, I feel like I got a lot of the speed back, but the spin is still way less than before.
 
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I feel your pain and share your sentiment. Don't think for a minute, though, that equipment disparity isn't a factor in other sports, like tennis.

In horse racing, the equestrians don't get to ride the same horse. In car racing (which isn't a sport in my book, but then again some seem to differ) the drivers don't get the same cars. In tennis, I'd say an amazing display of rackets (and head sizes, grip sizes, grip tapes, ...) and strings and string tensions exist, and I'd be amazed if Federer's rackets aren't very, very specifically tuned to his game.

I'd be open to the idea of levelling the playing field.

There are many car races where they use a control car.

Surely Federer is using equipment that is available to consumers. DHS has released press many times saying they do not sell the blue sponge rubbers to the public.

I think pros should only be using equipment that is readily available to consumers as off the shelf products. Either that or just remove any restriction on rubbers and just let it happen.

What is the point of the no booster rule of it isn't enforced? And what is the point of the no booster rule, if it can come boosted from the factory but you can't boost it yourself. So every Chinese pro just gets their desired chemicals applied by dhs before shipping to them, which I'm sure they can do so they effectively aren't breaking any rules.

It'd be a level playing field between pros of everyone had access to the same equipment, or at least let it be known that secret rubbers, chemicals and equipment are allowed.

What's the point of having rules with loopholes and no enforcement? Stupid organisation.
 
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The match between Ma Long and Liang Jingkun was one of the best matches I've seen in the past few years, and I'm not talking only about table tennis. If it's uninteresting for YOU, maybe YOU need to watch something else. Nobody has to be forced to do what YOU find interesting. There's always more fun in giving the freedom to players to choose their equipment.

The point of the thread is not complaining that some players win because of better equipment.

I'm saying that if there was at least one tournament where everyone played with the same rackets that would be a lot slower than now, would be more interesting to watch and a lot more evident who's skill is truly the best. As then it would be solely based on skill and be just clearly evident for everyone. Which kinda in a way ping-pong is but again hard-bats aren't that satisfactory and fun to watch either. I'm talking about something in the middle between ping-pong hard bats and current table tennis.

The whole argument of the thread is about that the use of overly fast rubbers makes most of the rallies uninteresting.
 
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I agree. I stopped playing during the 38mm ball era. When I started again 3 years ago, everything felt so different. Slower and less spin for sure. I had to forget my old loop techniques and learn completely new strokes based on the new equipment. Now I use carbon blades with boosted tacky rubbers, I feel like I got a lot of the speed back, but the spin is still way less than before.

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Just bring out a 38mm ball and play with it for a few minutes then switch to a 40+ ball and it feels like slow motion. The 38mm ball comes at you like a rocket. This is especially noticeable when you're playing someone who's a few levels better than you. Your chances of keeping up goes down dramatically with the old ball.
 
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