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    Article: Liu Guoliang on whos better: Jan Ove Waldner vs Ma Long!

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    Seems to make sense. The other day I was caught up in the moment thinking "Ma Long is the GOAT." And he very well could be. But there have been too many changes in the game with ball to call one person a winner.

    38mm era? Hard to say. JOW would be a good choice. So would Liu Guoliang. Could Ma Long have played in this era and been great? Sure. But really no idea if he'd be the best.
    40mm era? I guess you could say Ma Long. But really ZJK was clearly the best during this span in his prime pre injuries topping Ma Long in the biggest moments.
    40mm+ ? Sure lets go Ma Long.

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    I think its just a diplomatic answer from LGL to a question which makes little sense anyway

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    In term of achievement, I think Ma Long is still the best player in table tennis.

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    Let us be honest ( i am a big Waldner fan ) , Ma Long is the GOAT , even Waldner will admit this.

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    Let us be honest , Ma Long is the GOAT.

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    Ma long after 3 different injuries at the same moment with his motivation and performance is goat..

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    i'm MaLong Fan!
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    Article: Liu Guoliang on whos better: Jan Ove Waldner or Ma Long!

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    Let us be honest , Ma Long is the GOAT.
    Yes, and 5 Seconds of Summer is the GOAT of popular music.

    Unless you’re willing to really let that “of all time” sink in. How can you even make such a claim, disregarding not only Barna, Bergman, Cai, Guo etc. but also dismissing all future players offhand?

    The GOAT game is a semantically unsound game played within the memory confines of a goldfish, so it seems to me.

    (And yes, I’m a big big Ma Long fan. Still!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoass View Post
    Yes, and 5 Seconds of Summer is the GOAT of popular music.

    Unless you’re willing to really let that “of all time” sink in. How can you even make such a claim, disregarding not only Barna, Bergman, Cai, Guo etc. but also dismissing all future players offhand?

    The GOAT game is a semantically unsound game played within the memory confines of a goldfish, so it seems to me.

    (And yes, I’m a big big Ma Long fan. Still!)
    with normal logic, I suggest one should just call - greatest of current generation

    because you can't compare generations equally and fairly

    Zeio might just come here and quote that Walder was just a protype for shake hand players
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    disclaimer: not my job, saw on instagram... but you get the point

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    disclaimer: not my job, saw on instagram... but you get the point
    When you play the game of thrones, you win or die! Was that your point? He does seem to look like Bran the Broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoass View Post
    .....The GOAT game is a semantically unsound game played within the memory confines of a goldfish, ,,,,,,,,,
    I must memorise this quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoass View Post
    Yes, and 5 Seconds of Summer is the GOAT of popular music.

    Unless you’re willing to really let that “of all time” sink in. How can you even make such a claim, disregarding not only Barna, Bergman, Cai, Guo etc. but also dismissing all future players offhand?

    The GOAT game is a semantically unsound game played within the memory confines of a goldfish, so it seems to me.

    (And yes, I’m a big big Ma Long fan. Still!)
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    That is a great post by yoass.
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    When you play the game of thrones, you win or die! Was that your point? He does seem to look like Bran the Broken.
    by risking being banned from this forum I must confess I didn't see games of throne. (watched a couple of series some long long time ago, but wasn't "pulled in" into their universe, so started watching Breaking bad or smth... But it's in my bucket list anyway). I assume the picture means that finally he is the one who gets to sit in the throne, meaning he is the goat

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    Power - Ma Long
    Control - Waldner

    They played in different era and different circumstances and Ma Long has his advantage as the GOAT considering his achievement. But let us not forget that Waldner reinvented the game, showed us shots that seemed impossible because of his tremendous control of the 38mm ball. Waldner made a lot of influence on how the game is played today.

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    I believe that this is the only time that they played each other.......maybe?

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    I thought they played 2 times. 2009 and 2011. But I could be wrong. Same kind of results each time. Waldner got a game or 2 early with tactics but could not move well enough because of his back and being out of shape and Ma Long won, in the end, fairly easily.
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    I know all the issues of comparing across generations, but Ma Long has won more big events and rarely had inexplicable losses. Waldner sometimes lost to weaker players if he wssntvreal motivated.

    Both had to play against multiple waves of great competitors.

    And Waldner had more panache.
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    Waldner would not stand a chance against the consistent, heavy power loopers that rule the game now. Waldner does a few blocks and look-aways here and there, gets the old geezers to rally behind him!

    But if you want to talk about who would win against more players... c'mon! Very obvious decision. Even based on Waldner's own record.

    They'd beat Waldner like a dirty rug out on the back porch.

    If you're talking about who was the best in their own era... go ahead!

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