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      1.9 or max on forehand!!

      Everyone seems to love max rubbers even lower level players.
      I use Tenergy 05fx on fh and I seem to have decide I play better with 1.9.

      I seem to get more spin on serve as my action is a little heavy, this helps remove the bounciness of max.
      I can still topspin but its less arcy in general.
      If I have to push it seems much better to return tighter and lower
      Flat hits and drives are much easier and straighter and consistent.
      Float balls cause me less trouble.

      The only benefits I get from max are a bit more ease in looping (not necessarily a good thing)
      Easier to open up v backspin
      Better for blocking hard drives on crap skiddy tables.

      Overall I really think I should use 1.9 Tenergy.

      But everyone seems to love max on fh.

      Am I the fool or the genius? (No answers please)

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      Genius. I currently use 1.8mm Fastarc C1 and it lets me feel the ball better.
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      Here the same. I’m playing many years with 1.9 Rasant and now two years with Hype XT 40-1.9.
      Maybe I will try now Rasanter R42-2.0 (2.0, didn’t try it since many years) for next season but I’m also in the running for a Nexxus EL 43-1.9 (again)FH rubber.
      Also my BH is since many years 1.9.
      Indeed, combination from bigger control, less speed and less bounce is much easier to play for me.
      When I was much younger I played with 2.1 but in that time I was faster than my own shadow.



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      Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel View Post
      Genius. I currently use 1.8mm Fastarc C1 and it lets me feel the ball better.
      Next Level I think that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me and it only took two years. Ha ha ha ha

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      1.9 is good enough for most people nowadays.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Metaxa View Post
      Maybe I will try now Rasanter R42-2.0 (2.0, didn’t try it since many years) for next season but I’m also in the running for a Nexxus EL 43-1.9 (again)FH rubber.
      And maybe your Rasanter will be equally thick as the Nexxus at 1,95 mm, so unless you very carefully measure (before purchase, in packaging, bit difficult) all the difference might just be in your head.

      There is a reason why some companies are selling 1,7/1,9/2,1 and elsewhere it´s 1,8/2,0/2,2 - the lines are blurry.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Airoc View Post
      And maybe your Rasanter will be equally thick as the Nexxus at 1,95 mm, so unless you very carefully measure (before purchase, in packaging, bit difficult) all the difference might just be in your head.

      There is a reason why some companies are selling 1,7/1,9/2,1 and elsewhere it´s 1,8/2,0/2,2 - the lines are blurry.
      Thanks for your advice/warning!

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      1.9 is still thick enough for play a very offensive game Max will just give you more. Of course the thinner the rubber the more control you will have. It sounds like 1.9 will suit your better.

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      Resurrecting this thread!!

      So I think I might have changed my mind again. When I posted this thread to start with I was mostly playing with Joola Flash and Xuashaofa poly balls.

      I have been really struggling with ABS balls, especially at slower venues. So today I tried Max on the same blade and same venue and it seemed much more suited to the plastic ball. I prefer the Joola Flash, but it is silly to keep using it when no one else does.

      So I have a handmade blade coming from AFROBRO this week, think I will slap max on the fh and see how it goes. And sadly if you can't beat them join them, I gotta join the plastic ball gang now and move with the times.

      Other thing is I was often using 1.9mm on flexier 5 ply woos, now I use a nearly stiff 7 ply wood so need more help from the rubber.

      Next Level, would be interested on your thoughts on this matter!!

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      Sry, but I don't get your point sir. You are complaining about ball traveling too slow or ball being hard to spin?

      I've used some balls that are notoriously annoying (namely some older butterfly sleek stuff). But I don't have issues with most of the stuff I am playing with.

      The two key bullet points would be to keep the balls and tables clean and dry. I am more on the spinny side though, I prefer mid-stiff-flexy (leaning towards the flexier side) and harder rubbers. I am more often than not winning with spin (when opponent misjudges amount of spin and balls goes to the ceiling) or through the placement :|

      I think restating what is wrong with what you have got would help out.

      PS: Congrats on new blade. Sweet.

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      Hi,

      I would now go with 1.9 or 2.0mm with the spring / ESN sponges, rather than max.
      I have used max in the past quite a lot, with MXP, MXS, etc etc found them ok but wanted a little more control, so now stepped down in sponge thickness, speed is still good.
      with the harder sponges / tacky top sheet rubbers I still go for max to help with the speed.
      Exception is D09C which I have in 1.9mm, because the spring sponge x is still very lively, even with a ‘so called’ tacky top sheet.

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      Interesting, maybe because my blade is nearly stiff 7 ply and yours is flexy 5 ply it is affecting our sponge thickness choices. I believe so.
      On Infinity and Stratus Powerwood max Tenergy was too mushy and bouncy for me. Also on OSP V+.
      But I just carried on with 1.9 when I went to Force Pro Blue, but it all too flat with the plastic ball.

      Last week I could not lift the long chop serves of my training partner even when I read them with 1.9 on fh.
      Tonight I looped 90% of them back with ease and control with max.

      Yes it was a bit bouncy at times and I struggled a bit more with topspin but it seemed to absorb power and make blocks a bit easier too.

      Years ago I used an Andro Carbon Balsa this was also better with 1.9.
      When I switched to Rossi Emotion it was awful with 1.9 and needed max to give the ball a bit more dwell and arc.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MOG View Post
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      Interesting, maybe because my blade is nearly stiff 7 ply and yours is flexy 5 ply it is affecting our sponge thickness choices. I believe so.
      On Infinity and Stratus Powerwood max Tenergy was too mushy and bouncy for me. Also on OSP V+.
      But I just carried on with 1.9 when I went to Force Pro Blue, but it all too flat with the plastic ball.

      Last week I could not lift the long chop serves of my training partner even when I read them with 1.9 on fh.
      Tonight I looped 90% of them back with ease and control with max.

      Yes it was a bit bouncy at times and I struggled a bit more with topspin but it seemed to absorb power and make blocks a bit easier too.

      Years ago I used an Andro Carbon Balsa this was also better with 1.9.
      When I switched to Rossi Emotion it was awful with 1.9 and needed max to give the ball a bit more dwell and arc.
      Hi MOG,

      I have a sheet of T80FX max, and I just found it too bouncy, so I stopped playing with it. Also used MXP and a few other tensors in max, but on defensive blades and found it easier to play with these rubbers, speed was still plenty fast enough when attacking.
      Then tried putting these on a long5 blade, and I found it harder to keep the ball on the table. I think this combination was too fast for me / my technique / ability. But when I use the dead tacky rubbers on the long 5, it’s a different kettle of fish!!!

      i then took the plunge and got a sheet of D09C in 1.9mm mounted on the Primorac all wood, very nice rubber!!

      i don’t know how you and others feel, but the Butterfly spring sponges just seem different to say Joola / Andro / Tibhar sponges, can’t really put my finger on it !!!! Just different Seem to be more ‘explosive’

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      Most people cannot maximize the use of 2.1mm sponges as not all people are trained.
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      Moved from 2.1 to 1.9 is one of my best decision.

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      For me this depends on the blade it seems!

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      Most people cannot maximize the use of 2.1mm sponges as not all people are trained.

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      I used to really hate on anything under 2.1 sponge... then I had some 2.0 soft sponge old time rubber on BH and I was a BOSS. Someone slipped a 1.9 Tenergy on a blade for me to try and surprisingly I could still spin...

      So my short empirical evidence suggests that 1.9 and 2.0 are not hte end of the word for a spin oriented attacking player.
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      This was very true for me on fh with the older softer poly balls like Joola Flash on the blade I was using.

      But it is harder to spin if someone hits hard or flat or no spin, at least with my awful technique, and lifting chop seems harder quite a bit to me.

      I guess on bh Der_Echte most of us engage the wrist better and more efficiently?

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      I used to really hate on anything under 2.1 sponge... then I had some 2.0 soft sponge old time rubber on BH and I was a BOSS. Someone slipped a 1.9 Tenergy on a blade for me to try and surprisingly I could still spin...

      So my short empirical evidence suggests that 1.9 and 2.0 are not hte end of the word for a spin oriented attacking player.

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      I didn't read thread.
      1,9/2,0/2,1 in ultra max is good choice
      less weight more wrist speed, more rotation, and easier to control

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      I cannot speak in total general speak on why people might be able to spin on BH and not on FH... it kinda sounds backwards.

      I understand in general why many adult players without earlier TT training generally play more quality and consistency on BH if in position... the stroke is shorter and often more direct... so easier to do it if in position... doesn't require long movements.

      The better ones learn how to generate a LOT of kinetic energy without the huge movement.

      Of course that last point is absolutely true for higher level players... they figured out how to make a powerful shot without a mile long all-out swing.

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