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      Supergrippy non-bouncy rubbers

      Are there any new generation rubbers that can be categorised as super-grippy non-bouncy? I know the Chinese rubbers are very tacky and non-bouncy, but I was wondering whether something similar exist in the grippy side of things.


      Disclaimer: this is a question completely out of pure curiosity. I don’t intend to buy or change my rubbers.

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      Dignics is even more grippy than T05 and less bouncy. From an older generation, MX-S is almost as grippy and much less bouncy. Probably closer to what you're describing.

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      I would say that the new hard sponge tensor rubbers ( >= 50 degrees ESN) are less bouncy on low impact shots.

      Also there plenty of non-tacky (grippy) Chinese rubbers. Palio AK47 fits that description. There probably many others.


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      You're using Baracuda. Doesn't that match your question, or is that already too bouncy to qualify?

      The Stiga Genesis/Genesis 2 would also pretty much be like that; grippy, really not very bouncy. And in the same vein, DHS Gold Arc 5 should be mentioned.

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      Genesis 2 m is bouncy but not to the poont it is like bryce or other bouncy rubbers. It does not feel dead also

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      Palio Hadou 40+ meets this criteria. Lots of grip, somewhat tacky top sheet with a less powerful sponge. It is not a "dead" rubber, but the bounce is a step below most ESN rubbers for sure. Regular Genesis is similar in that regard. If I had to say which of these two is "less" bouncy, I would say the Palio Hadou 40+.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BryanY View Post
      I would say that the new hard sponge tensor rubbers ( >= 50 degrees ESN) are less bouncy on low impact shots.

      Also there plenty of non-tacky (grippy) Chinese rubbers. Palio AK47 fits that description. There probably many others.
      AK47 is not nearly as grippy as many top level European rubbers. It is a very good rubber for its price, but I would consider it average grippy.

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      Quote Originally Posted by yoass View Post
      You're using Baracuda. Doesn't that match your question, or is that already too bouncy to qualify?

      The Stiga Genesis/Genesis 2 would also pretty much be like that; grippy, really not very bouncy. And in the same vein, DHS Gold Arc 5 should be mentioned.
      Baracuda is a good example. But I still think something like Rhyzer is more grippy than Baracuda. I wonder whether Joola (for example) has a rubber with the same topsheet as Rhyzer, but a much less bouncy sponge. I know most people go for the very fast rubbers when they want to buy something, but I also think non-bouncy supergrippy combination makes a much better overall rubber once your technique is good enough to generate lots of power by yourself. I'm very happy with Baracuda because of this. Some of the shots I was making 30% before are now near 70% consistency. For example, forehand flicks were something I would never use in a game before, but now I have the confidence to do it, just because of the control in the rubber.

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      Quote Originally Posted by symbat View Post
      Palio Hadou 40+ meets this criteria. Lots of grip, somewhat tacky top sheet with a less powerful sponge. It is not a "dead" rubber, but the bounce is a step below most ESN rubbers for sure. Regular Genesis is similar in that regard. If I had to say which of these two is "less" bouncy, I would say the Palio Hadou 40+.
      Interesting! I've never seen Palio Hadou come up in a conversation before. I'm curious how it plays now

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      Quote Originally Posted by olzetezkarzo View Post
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      CJ8000 is a good one as well.

      The Hadou version I am referring to is the 40+, it is a bit different than the other Hadou rubbers.

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      Quote Originally Posted by perham View Post
      Baracuda is a good example. But I still think something like Rhyzer is more grippy than Baracuda. I wonder whether Joola (for example) has a rubber with the same topsheet as Rhyzer, but a much less bouncy sponge. I know most people go for the very fast rubbers when they want to buy something, but I also think non-bouncy supergrippy combination makes a much better overall rubber once your technique is good enough to generate lots of power by yourself. I'm very happy with Baracuda because of this. Some of the shots I was making 30% before are now near 70% consistency. For example, forehand flicks were something I would never use in a game before, but now I have the confidence to do it, just because of the control in the rubber.



      Golden Tango should meet your needs

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      All be damned! I'm getting a slice of Fastarc G1/1.8 and donate that to my BH. And a slice of Goldarc 8 (no relative) 50/2.1 for my FH and see what happens. Can I kick it?

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      Quote Originally Posted by piligrim View Post
      Golden Tango should meet your needs
      Is this similar to Genesis II?

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      Quote Originally Posted by perham View Post
      Is this similar to Genesis II?

      don't know

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      What about Donic BlueGrip series?

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      Quote Originally Posted by perham View Post
      Is this similar to Genesis II?
      Yes.

      Regular Golden Tango has a 54 degree hardness sponge.

      Golden Tango PS (Pink Sponge) is 50 degrees. (And easier to use).


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      Quote Originally Posted by BryanY View Post
      Yes.

      Regular Golden Tango has a 54 degree hardness sponge.

      Golden Tango PS (Pink Sponge) is 50 degrees. (And easier to use).


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      That is quite hard. Is it really usable on backhand? I mean sounds ok for forehand, but 50 and 54 are really hard for backhand.

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      Quote Originally Posted by perham View Post
      That is quite hard. Is it really usable on backhand? I mean sounds ok for forehand, but 50 and 54 are really hard for backhand.
      Yeah I think that Golden Tango is intended for forehand.

      Genesis 2 soft might be the most practical hybrid rubber for backhand. (Gen 1 soft is 45 degrees. Maybe Gen 2 soft is the same hardness).

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