ITTF 2019 Hong Kong Open June 4-9

rainneverever · Jun 6, 2019

Isn't LGY in the same team (Tianjin) with Ma Te in 2018 CSL lol. LGY did lose to Ma Te 3-4 (-8, 8, -6, 8, 5, -9, -11) in CNT warm up tournament before 2017 WTTC. Mu Zi lost to chopper Liu Fei 3-4 in that tournament as well, no surprise to me she struggled in HK open.

Does anyone know if Liam Pitchford ever beat a chopper? Last year he lost to Ma Te right after he beat ML in Bulgaria Open. This year, he lost to Wang Yang in WTTC and Ma Te again in HK open.

NextLevel · Jun 6, 2019

rainneverever said:
Isn't LGY in the same team (Tianjin) with Ma Te in 2018 CSL lol. LGY did lose to Ma Te 3-4 (-8, 8, -6, 8, 5, -9, -11) in CNT warm up tournament before 2017 WTTC. Mu Zi lost to chopper Liu Fei 3-4 in that tournament as well, no surprise to me she struggled in HK open.

Does anyone know if Liam Pitchford ever beat a chopper? Last year he lost to Ma Te right after he beat ML in Bulgaria Open. This year, he lost to Wang Yang in WTTC and Ma Te again in HK open.

I think he beat Gionis during an England vs. Greece match. It's also something interesting that German league has choppers but French league doesn't.

FruitLoop · Jun 6, 2019

He has beaten Filus before I am pretty sure.

rainneverever · Jun 6, 2019

So is it because some difference between Asian (Asian style) choppers and European choppers?

tropical · Jun 6, 2019

Ma Te is another level above Filus.

NextLevel · Jun 6, 2019

rainneverever said:
So is it because some difference between Asian (Asian style) choppers and European choppers?

Ma Te is a good chopper and not every attacker is good against choppers. Pitchford is clearly not but I remember Ma Te beat Jeoung Youngsik in CSL and Jeoung is Korean. It is just better luck next time. There also aren't many choppers in the French league (I might have said this earlier) and Pitchford is there now. There are more in German league for example.

Many attackers in Europe don't know how to play choppers easily maybe that is what I should just say.

Konrad Bak · Jun 6, 2019

Pitchford will be playing in Japan in new season.
Maybe big reason why he changed sponsor
Imo he doesnt play well when he see sp\lp

tropical · Jun 7, 2019

I watched Hou Yingchao (ranked ~500) destroyed Tiago Apolonia (#40) in LA open 2018. Tiago just didn't know what to do with such heavy or light chop and lost many points FH to FH. These Chinese defenders attacked extremely well, too, besides defense.

Loopadoop · Jun 7, 2019

tropical said:
Ma Te is another level above Filus.

Some consider him the best chopper in the world.

Pitchford played a lot better this time vs the 1st time he played him.

rainneverever · Jun 7, 2019

I know Ma Te is a good chopper. He is the only chopper who ever beat XX (once in CSL). But he was also beaten 0-4 by XX last Bulgaria Open after he beat LP. As I checked his results on ITTF site, he hasn't played many matches internationally except in 2013 and in 2018. He lost to multiple Asian players outside CNT. He never lost to European but none were high ranked players beside LP. If he gets more chance to play internationally, can he reach the level of JSH? And JSH comes back to play now and wants to reach WR 20. Will be interesting to have them around.
Then I checked LP ITTF h2h results to see if he is not good at playing choppers. LP vs Gionis 1:1, LP vs Wang Yang 2:3, LP vs MT 0:2, LP vs Filus 0:4! I think I get my answer now, LP did beat choppers before but he is not good at playing choppers, which still surprises me a bit for his level.

mart1nandersson · Jun 7, 2019

NextLevel said:
And here I was thinking he was a Hou Yingchao like SP chopper.

The official line is that he uses Curl P1R as he is/was TSP sponsored but quite a few photos indicate a fairly slick Chinese LP. The OOAK thread is fantastic with people bugging him on WeChat trying to gets the facts straight etc. Amazing.

Sali · Jun 7, 2019

seems like Wang Ydi is not missing any shot, it is really hard to overcome her in rallies

Janard · Jun 7, 2019

Is this Feng Yalan and Mu Zi's retirement Open?

zeio · Jun 7, 2019

I like how Feng Yalan gave Hirano a pat after the handshake, given her comment that Hirano was still not there yet after their encounter in her favor at German Open 2017. A gesture of friendship. A graceful acknowledgement of defeat. CNT should encourage this more.

Not looking good for Ishikawa in terms of ranking points. One blow after another.

Vlad Celler · Jun 7, 2019

For T2 Diamond - yes ...
Ishikawa’s ITTF rating for July, at least, will keep ... But in the ITTF rating for August she may have a noticeable drop .....

zeio · Jun 7, 2019

Sun Mingyang has been turned into a shooting target for Ito.

The 1st game looks so amateurish. Short rallies. Countless "rookie" mistakes.

RidTheKid · Jun 7, 2019

Ma Te is quite young, does anyone know his age?

Vlad Celler · Jun 7, 2019

zeio said:
Sun Mingyang has been turned into a shooting target for Ito.

The 1st game looks so amateurish. Short rallies. Countless "rookie" mistakes.

Do not jinx it!

zeio · Jun 7, 2019

RidTheKid said:
Ma Te is quite young, does anyone know his age?

500 years old.

RidTheKid · Jun 7, 2019

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