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    Quote Originally Posted by Sali
    is LSW or XX injured? mix doubles
    LSW has withdrawn injured
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    Wow. Harimoto meets Wang Chuqin in the first round.

    Will be extremely interesting to see if and how that match will differ from their encounter just a few days ago!

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    Next chance for him but I think Wang Chuqin will win again.

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    I actually think Harimoto will beat WCQ this time because he tends to get revenge on almost everybody he loses to in a previous encounter.

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    very tough matches tomorrow
    It is realy not easy to predict who is going to win besides freitas, XX, ML

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    #146
    Quote Originally Posted by driversbeat
    I agree that Liu's spot is still up in the air. But from memory the Olympics have always applied the separation by association rule. At least from my observation there have been no two players from the same country in the same half, or all three players in the same half (2008 and before).
    That could change. I̶'̶m̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶o̶D̶ ̶r̶e̶s̶u̶l̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶o̶n̶t̶h̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶w̶.̶ ̶ ̶T̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶a̶c̶c̶o̶r̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶[̶u̶r̶l̶=̶h̶t̶t̶p̶:̶/̶/̶w̶w̶w̶.̶j̶t̶t̶a̶.̶o̶r̶.̶j̶p̶/̶P̶o̶r̶t̶a̶l̶s̶/̶0̶/̶i̶m̶a̶g̶e̶s̶/̶a̶s̶s̶o̶c̶i̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶/̶m̶i̶n̶u̶t̶e̶s̶/̶2̶0̶1̶9̶/̶2̶0̶1̶9̶0̶7̶0̶1̶_̶r̶i̶j̶i̶k̶a̶i̶.̶p̶d̶f̶]̶J̶T̶T̶A̶'̶s̶ ̶b̶o̶a̶r̶d̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶u̶t̶e̶s̶[̶/̶u̶r̶l̶]̶,̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶w̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶p̶a̶s̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶n̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.̶ They've been passed. The ITTF handbook has been updated.

    https://ittf.cdnomega.com/eu/2019/03...o_2019_BoD.pdf
    Proposition 16

    Proposed by the ITTF Executive Committee.

    To amend 3.6.3:

    3.6.3.1 Nominated players and pairs of the same Association shall, as far as possible, be separated s̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶m̶e̶e̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶f̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶l̶o̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶t̶ in terms of 3.6.3.3 and 3.6.3.4 unless otherwise stated in the specific regulations for such particular event or group of events.

    3.6.3.2 Associations shall list their nominated players and pairs in descending order of playing strength, starting with any players included in the ranking list used for seeding, in the order of that list.

    3.6.3.3 The entries ranked 1 and 2 shall be drawn into different halves and those ranked 3 and 4 into quarters other than those occupied by the first two.

    3̶.̶6̶.̶3̶.̶4̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶n̶t̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶r̶a̶n̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶5̶-̶8̶ ̶s̶h̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶d̶r̶a̶w̶n̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶o̶ ̶e̶i̶g̶h̶t̶h̶s̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶c̶c̶u̶p̶i̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶o̶u̶r̶.̶

    3.6.3.4 Remaining entries shall be separated only in groups and in the first round of the qualification draw for Knock-outs and the main draw, but not in further rounds.

    3̶.̶6̶.̶3̶.̶5̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶n̶t̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶r̶a̶n̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶9̶-̶1̶6̶ ̶s̶h̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶d̶r̶a̶w̶n̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶i̶x̶t̶e̶e̶n̶t̶h̶s̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶c̶c̶u̶p̶i̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶h̶i̶g̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶r̶a̶n̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶p̶a̶i̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶o̶n̶,̶ ̶u̶n̶t̶i̶l̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶n̶t̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶o̶c̶a̶t̶e̶d̶.̶

    Rationale:
    The intent of the current rule is that players from the same Association, who often have to travel a long way, do not have to play matches against compatriots. However, this should only apply to the top players, with all others guaranteed not to meet in the first round proper. This will also make the draw much more simplified and easier to follow.
    Proposition 21

    Proposed by the ITTF Executive Committee.

    To add 4.5.2.3:

    4.5.2.3. Players of the same Association shall be separated according to 3.6.3.1 and 3.6.3.3 3̶.̶6̶.̶3̶.̶4̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶3̶.̶6̶.̶3̶.̶5̶ only in preliminary rounds but not in further rounds.

    Rationale:
    The ITTF World Ranking should be the main criteria for Olympic Draws.
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    FZD will have tough time against KK. Hope he gets back to his old self or his Olympic dream will go down the basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunix80
    FZD will have tough time against KK. Hope he gets back to his old self or his Olympic dream will go down the basement.
    Most of matches besides few can go either way.

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    #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad Celler
    Even there is no desire to comment ....
    I guess most forum members only care about the mens. If this was in the mens, we could have more comments

    I still can't figure out how 17th seed took 2nd seed spot.
    It should of been walk over with my limited knowledge of the rules.

    so now all the correct pre rounds made the main draw. so who made the main draw "luckily"? There is 1 extra person in the main draw who shouldn't be there...

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    I also can not understand this and I will be grateful to anyone who can explain ....

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    I also can not understand this and I will be grateful to anyone who can explain ....
    I found out it is a friend of mine that made the spot despite loosing the preround lol
    maybe I should keep my mouth shut

    Chen Szu Yu

    This is maybe a new rule

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    wow JYS is out

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    Chen SzuYu lost already in r3 to Cho Hyojoo 3:4, can she be resurrected ?

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    #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis
    I found out it is a friend of mine that made the spot despite loosing the preround lol
    maybe I should keep my mouth shut

    Chen Szu Yu

    This is maybe a new rule
    But it's an odd rule that was only applied to the Singles event but not XD and WD since Choi Hyojoo/Lee Eunhye and Jun Mizutani/Ito Mima got walkovers? Then again, Chen Szu-yu meets Chen Meng – it's as good as having lost at the prelims.
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    #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest/Comet
    Chen SzuYu lost already in r3 to Cho Hyojoo 3:4, can she be resurrected ?
    Guess you are not reading my posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janard
    But it's an odd rule that was only applied to the Singles event but not XD and WD since Choi Hyojoo/Lee Eunhye and Jun Mizutani/Ito Mima got walkovers?
    very odd, I don't think I saw this before
    Before the seeding and draw, one can reshuffle due to withdrawal.
    But after it and after tournament starts, it should be WO, not resuffle.
    I would assume Chen only got through because she lost 4-3, and maybe her point scores was more than the other 4-3 losers

    i've ask a blue badge umpire that I know (due to become deputy referee at Tokyo), so far no reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis
    Guess you are not reading my posts.
    I read your post. Other than a suggestion that there may be a new rule, there’s nothing there that explains.
    so, it is a new rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest/Comet
    I read your post. Other than a suggestion that there may be a new rule, there’s nothing there that explains.
    so, it is a new rule?
    No one (so far) knows what is going on.
    I am hoping some of the forum members like Zeio who spends many hours on a forums a day would have an answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis
    I guess most forum members only care about the mens. If this was in the mens, we could have more comments

    I still can't figure out how 17th seed took 2nd seed spot.
    It should of been walk over with my limited knowledge of the rules.

    so now all the correct pre rounds made the main draw. so who made the main draw "luckily"? There is 1 extra person in the main draw who shouldn't be there...
    I think walk over applies when a match has already started.

    I somewhat understand how Jeon Jihee takes over LSW's spot, but I don't understand CSY filling in the last spot. Perhaps they counted points won in prelims rather than higher ranking to determine who was the "lucky loser".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pongfugrasshopper
    I think walk over applies when a match has already started.

    I somewhat understand how Jeon Jihee takes over LSW's spot, but I don't understand CSY filling in the last spot. Perhaps they counted points won in prelims rather than higher ranking to determine who was the "lucky loser".
    I think this explains JJH taking the 2nd spot (from 2019 ITTF Handbook):

    3.6.6.2 Any vacancies in seeded places shall first be filled, in ranking order, bydrawing into them the strongest new players or pairs; any further players orpairs shall be drawn into vacancies due to absence or disqualification andthen into byes other than those against seeded players or pairs.

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