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Vlad Celler · Jul 9, 2019

Honestly, I did not watch carefully ....I know many examples when Chinese women successfully spoke for the countries of Europe, both Americas ....
But here's an example of Hamamoto, I personally know only one example, when a Japanese woman stands for another country ....

langel · Jul 9, 2019

Guys, how do you find time to play with such a hard work in the forum?
Meanwhile I played on a new Xiom table with a shiny surface, supposedly like the Champion in Korea.
It bounced very close to BTY, had no problems at all.
But I don't like much Andro tables, which, though matt, bounce lower.

Who will get greatest benefit from the DHS tables in Australia, and who will be harmed, how do you think?

Takkyu_wa_inochi · Jul 9, 2019

@Sali

Hayata has all the shots. She has improved incredibly in the last year. Now she needs to grow mentally and work to be more consistent. Note also that she is a bit taller than Hirano or Ito, and maybe Ishikawa as well. I believe in her potential, more than Hirano or even Ito.

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Hayata is 166 cm
Nagasaki is 164cm
Ishikawa is 157cm
Hirano 156cm
Ito only 150 cm !

Vlad Celler · Jul 9, 2019

Perhaps I am mistaken ... But in one of his interviews LGL said that it was Hayata who has the greatest potential in the future .....

zeio · Jul 9, 2019

Takkyu_wa_inochi · Jul 9, 2019

zeio said:

I hope Hayata watches that video, it should give her even more motivation next time !!!!

zeio · Jul 9, 2019

Takkyu_wa_inochi said:
@Sali

Hayata has all the shots. She has improved incredibly in the last year. Now she needs to grow mentally and work to be more consistent. Note also that she is a bit taller than Hirano or Ito, and maybe Ishikawa as well. I believe in her potential, more than Hirano or even Ito.

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Hayata is 166 cm
Nagasaki is 164cm
Ishikawa is 157cm
Hirano 156cm
Ito only 150 cm !

From T.League site and Sportsnavi,
Hamamoto 174cm
Honoka Hashimoto 169cm
Hina Hayata 167cm
Miyuu Kihara 164cm
Hitomi Sato 163cm
Miu Hirano 158cm
Miwa Harimoto 152cm, just turned 11
Ito is essentially 5 foot less an inch...

Brs · Jul 9, 2019

Miwa HM has the most potential. I love watching her play the juniors bc she is a stone-cold killa.

zeio · Jul 9, 2019

Brs said:
Miwa HM has the most potential. I love watching her play the juniors bc she is a stone-cold killa.

She just took out 3 CNT players, all in straight games to win the U12 event at the East Asian Hopes a few days ago.

Japan took gold in 3 events - BS, GS, GT. Chinese Taipei took gold in BT.

Takkyu_wa_inochi · Jul 9, 2019

@Zeio

yes Hamamoto is the most model-like ! but Nagasaki will become certainly hugely popular as well, especially given her TT skills.

Sali · Jul 9, 2019

Takkyu_wa_inochi said:
@Sali

Hayata has all the shots. She has improved incredibly in the last year. Now she needs to grow mentally and work to be more consistent. Note also that she is a bit taller than Hirano or Ito, and maybe Ishikawa as well. I believe in her potential, more than Hirano or even Ito.
!

I am not sure if this is the right word but for me she looks clumsy, stiff at the table, trying to kill all shots. You cannot play all the Time risky shots, you need versatility.
Look at Simon gauzy, he is not perfect but he can change strategy and shotse when needed, that is why he makes many upsets like XX or mizutani.
But similar thing is to Ito and Hirano, they play very risky shots, while sometimes it is enough to push the ball or Just block it

NextLevel · Jul 10, 2019

Sali said:
I am not sure if this is the right word but for me she looks clumsy, stiff at the table, trying to kill all shots. You cannot play all the Time risky shots, you need versatility.
Look at Simon gauzy, he is not perfect but he can change strategy and shotse when needed, that is why he makes many upsets like XX or mizutani.
But similar thing is to Ito and Hirano, they play very risky shots, while sometimes it is enough to push the ball or Just block it

I guess the real issue is that people lose to better players and then the better players or their coaches say what they think the problem is. Hayata can beat 99% of the women on the tour with her risky game so we lose perspective sometimes and focus on the 1% she can't beat. And then because everyone is looking for competition and the hope of beating China, we get enthusiastic about results that show that this is possible. Hayata pushes and blocks the bAll as well as anyone , the real issue is whether this game will beat the players she needs to beat. At a certain point, it is less about your game and more about how good you are at it. Hayata is not going to beat the CNT pushing and blocking, it is more about developing more weapons to play the point. And maybe she just doesn't have the competition to push her speed.

In the end though, we all need these narratives to enjoy the game, even the Chinese do. They need to make villains to justify their investment in TT. Everyone's game has issues, if we deploy the right tactics or if they don't have the right ball quality with quick recovery.

But the bottom line is that you aren't going to find that many people outside China who repeatedly hit a higher quality ball than Hayata. I know we sometimes make these conversations all about China but we sometimes need to bring perspective back to the conversation.

Relative to Gauzy, Ito and Hirano have done much more at a younger age. Different sexes, but let's remember that.

driversbeat · Jul 10, 2019

Australia's Jee Minhyung plays an interesting game. Long/half-long pips and she's able to use them on both forehand and backhand by twiddling. She's like Manika Batra but better.

https://youtu.be/AOC8FApdVLw

zeio · Jul 10, 2019

NextLevel said:
...In the end though, we all need these narratives to enjoy the game, even the Chinese do. They need to make villains to justify their investment in TT. Everyone's game has issues, if we deploy the right tactics or if they don't have the right ball quality with quick recovery.
...
Relative to Gauzy, Ito and Hirano have done much more at a younger age. Different sexes, but let's remember that.

This reminds me of Feng Yalan's comment about Hirano in 2017.

http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/...017-german-open-magdeburg-ger-nov-712#1003576

http://sports.ifeng.com/a/20171112/53182915_0.shtml?_zbs_duba_dh#p=4

冯亚兰表示她自己今天的发挥其实很一般，只是心态好一点。而平野美宇被媒体宣传的位置很高，但自己在看她录像的时候，发现她的球路并不是很顶尖，还没达到那种实力。她会有对球处理不合理的地方，所以自己今天赢了她很正常。在冯亚兰看来，平野美宇更多是媒体吹出来的，她根本就没到顶尖的水平，自己在发挥一般的情况下依然可以正常赢她！

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(Feng Yalan said her performance was very typical today, just that her mind was a little better. OTOH, Hirano's position was highly regarded and widely publicized by the media. However, upon viewing her videos, Feng noticed her game was not all it's cracked up to be, that it's not there yet. Her handling of some shots are still unreasonable, so it's very normal that she won today. To Feng Yalan, Hirano is more of a media-fanned phenomenon, that her level is simply not at the very top, and she could beat her on a typical day!)

Roughly 1.5 years later, FYL actually gave Hirano a good pat on the back after the match.

Janard · Jul 10, 2019

Oh wow, did Nagasaki Miyu underperform? Swept 0-4 by Zhang Qiang who is IMO among the weakest players in the 1st team. I was betting on Nagasaki actually. Can someone who watched comment on the match? This is like a bitch slap to ZYL's face

Takkyu_wa_inochi · Jul 10, 2019

Watched a few seconds of it and quickly looked away. Nagasaki body language said too much I didn’t bother seeing the rest of the match

zeio · Jul 10, 2019

Takkyu_wa_inochi said:
@Zeio

yes Hamamoto is the most model-like ! but Nagasaki will become certainly hugely popular as well, especially given her TT skills.

Takkyu_wa_inochi said:
Watched a few seconds of it and quickly looked away. Nagasaki body language said too much I didn’t bother seeing the rest of the match

I still feel the same for Nagasaki. Comparing to Ito and Hirano at the same age, she's already behind.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...pionships-2019&p=256508&viewfull=1#post256508

On course with my prediction.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-Championships&p=251733&viewfull=1#post251733

At this rate, Nagazaki will drop off the radar. She's only less than 2 years younger than Ito and the likes. If CNT's experience applies as well for JNT, she will live under their shadows and fade away. Kihara has it a little better given those 2 extra years, but it will still be difficult for her.

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Shine · Jul 10, 2019

Janard said:
Oh wow, did Nagasaki Miyu underperform? Swept 0-4 by Zhang Qiang who is IMO among the weakest players in the 1st team. I was betting on Nagasaki actually. Can someone who watched comment on the match? This is like a bitch slap to ZYL's face

Surprised at the result too, Maybe she's unnerved by the penhold play, At least she gave Manyu a lot of problems too last week, And it was really tight, Or it could just be this thing of players only bringing their best game out when they face the top Chinese players, That's kinda what's happened to Ovtcharov this past few months: Against LGY he'll play and block back so aggressively you'll think Gaoyuan shots were nothing and then he'll play players he's supposed to beat all day and he'll be underwhelming

Janard · Jul 10, 2019

Oh dang. She's gonna lose so many points this month. Best case scenario, she is #5 but likely to be between #6-#8.

zeio · Jul 10, 2019

XX/LSW are running away from Ito/Mizutani.

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