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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      For some reason I don't see dominus's photo in my browser, so I am reposting just the image:

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      Look, I am sure, if it hurts, something is going on with the wrist and taking care of it is worth it. So, I am not trying to make fun of dominus for asking about this. But some of the mollycoddling comments from members seem a bit over the top. Here are the pertinent details:

      If it hurts when dominus plays and does that wrist movement (the actual term for the wrist movement is ULNAR DEVIATION) but when the wrist is in a normal position, it does not hurt, THEN THIS IS most likely NOT AN INJURY THAT NEEDS A DOCTOR.

      Is that correct dominus? Does your wrist only hurt if you try and "drop your wrist" to make the line from elbow to tip of blade "straight"?

      If that is the case you probably do not need a doctor. If it hurts all the time, or if it still is bothering you in that position Next Wednesday 7/24, then seeing a doctor may be useful. But they may just tell you to put ice and heat alternatively and take 400 mg of Ibuprofen 3-4 times a day (every 6 hours). You could start doing that now if you wanted.

      However, one point I want to make: In the photo above that dominus posted, the arrow IS NOT POINTING TO HIS WRIST. It is not pointing to the joint. And if the pain is where the arrow is, it is much more likely that this is from having banged that area, or having had the stove pressing on that area while he was trying to carry it. His wrist is where the creases are. And I see no abnormality, nor do I see swelling, inflammation or redness in the wrist joint area.

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      Here is a photo of my right wrist with moderate ulnar deviation. The line in the center on my wrist is much more pronounced than on dominus. That is 100 percent normal. How many of you do not see at least one line. You may also note that on my wrist you can see more than one tendon. And I assure you, my wrist is not injured and that too would be normal.

      So based on the odd information dominus has presented (hurts when wrist is in ulnar deviation, not when in normal position, thinks the injury may have occurred while carrying something awkward and heavy) and the photo image (does not show any abnormality or damage), I am concluding that a week's rest and dominus should be okay and just will need to start into practice more slowly since he has not played in quite a while and will need to redevelop some of the underlying strength for the actions of table tennis.
      Yeah, if I have to be specific, the pain is not exactly in the wrist, but the movement of the wrist doing what you said as ulnar deviation, is when the injury show its face, the pain is diminishing, but it's still present, the way that I had to carry the stove was mainly the guilty, I didn't realize till I looped several times and on the rally, I'm agreed with Carl, maybe some guys think this is a bullsh*t thread. Thanks for your support. Doctor said was a little damage and gave me analgesics, as I thought. I've asked some partners and curiously they suffer the same pain, but in lower intensity, the one which more suffer about the tendon close to the wrist is a penholder, I have to rest a week without do forcing the wrist and after that if the pain still persist, will do a resonance.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Der_Echte View Post
      Not so long ago, the California dust in my area really got stirred up with all the industrial chems applied in agriculture combined with a lot of pollen got me to sneezing something fierce daily this late spring.

      It took me a while to realize that my left pectoral muscle contracted really violently on my big sneezes. I had me a bad grade one or light grade two pec muscle tear. That sucka hurt like crazy with the tiniest of movements like lifting hands to the steering wheel to drive the car to work.

      I also got more of that crap in my lungs and had much violent coughing, which ended up using the muscles below the pec and right on the ribs... That is serious pain to have a bruised or strained or torn rib. That stuff Hurts just to breath.

      It took me a couple weeks to get it back to a manageable level where I wasn't re-injuring it daily just breathing oxygen.

      It took me to maybe to 4th day of that mess to realize what was going on. I was lucky to get a realization and to have the dust/chems in the air blow somewhere else.

      This is one example of how some unsuspecting stuff can get you a painful strain. Keep you eyes and mind open.
      Thanks for your advice!

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      Yeah, Chuck got moar than a little wrist pain from that encounter.
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      If I were to seek medical opinion and advice for an injury like this, I would only trust someone with deep and true knowledge and years of practical experience of how bones, muscles, tendons, nerves, and holistically how the body works...

      People like Carl, physical therapists like Jaspican, Tony recommend chiropractors, Naturopath docs and half of sports physios are who I would trust. Note that I left off USA general practice doctors for very good reasons.

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      yep, general medicine will only prescribe pain killers or anti inflammatory pills

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      yep, general medicine will only prescribe pain killers or anti inflammatory pills
      Yep, that's why I will visit a kinesiologist with mention in TT.

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      We have this amazing Chinese doctor named Jin Hua Nie or simply Dr Nie in Stockholm. She's a legend. Her "clinic" is very close to the Spårvägen training centre so I wouldn't be shell shocked if she has treated the great J-O. Lots of TT players visit her on a regular basis. Acupuncture is amazing!

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      I actually think the general doctors have the right idea - rest and anti-inflammatories, with a referral to a hand specialist if it keeps on hurting.

      - Chiropractors, physical therapists and others can be a real crapshoot and may not be backed by science.

      - Speaking from personal experience, I saw a "therapist", who recommended doing flexibility and weight bearing strengthening exercises. Suffice to say, it made things worse.

      - The U.S. board certified hand specialist pointed out that exercises couldn't help because there was no muscle to strengthen - it was likely a tear in the cartilage and I was making it worse at the time.

      - He advised to wear a brace, let it heal if it can and take anti-inflammatories for pain.

      Bottom line, your health is so important! Listen to your body and don't be reluctant to see a doctor, who can refer you to a hand specialist if needed. Don't be stupid like me and further injure your wrist
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      Quote Originally Posted by Opinari View Post
      - Chiropractors, physical therapists and others can be a real crapshoot and may not be backed by science.
      tell that to the ones who been taking pain killers and anti inflammatory for years
      i'm afraid modern medicine in a way is still too young and new.
      Most of the time, the doctors are just gloried pharmacist. They rely on drugs to heal, but some times it is physical problem.

      My father is a doctor in Chinese medicine and acupuncture. Luckily in his line, it is recognized by the WHO, so maybe I can say Science does back him.
      never the less, the surgeon said a patients leg need to be amputated as there is no ways to save it (bad circulation and constant bruising. The guy is still walking normally thanks to acupuncture. Science would had made him 1 leg short

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      tell that to the ones who been taking pain killers and anti inflammatory for years
      i'm afraid modern medicine in a way is still too young and new.
      Most of the time, the doctors are just gloried pharmacist. They rely on drugs to heal, but some times it is physical problem.

      My father is a doctor in Chinese medicine and acupuncture. Luckily in his line, it is recognized by the WHO, so maybe I can say Science does back him.
      never the less, the surgeon said a patients leg need to be amputated as there is no ways to save it (bad circulation and constant bruising. The guy is still walking normally thanks to acupuncture. Science would had made him 1 leg short
      Tony, I apologize as I didn't mean to insult anyone or suggest that acupuncture or other remedies are quack-science (or to veer off-topic here). As you note, acupuncture is recognized by double-blind controlled studies - I understand it's especially effective for treating pain and nausea and frankly, seems underused.

      My only point is that rest and anti-inflammatories isn't a bad suggestion. I'm not talking to people who have been suffering for years, which is unfortunately a whole other world. I'm speaking to this specific thread - your wrist hurts and you see a doctor who tells you to rest and take ibuprofen - that's seems like good advice.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Opinari View Post
      Tony, I apologize as I didn't mean to insult anyone or suggest that acupuncture or other remedies are quack-science (or to veer off-topic here). As you note, acupuncture is recognized by double-blind controlled studies - I understand it's especially effective for treating pain and nausea and frankly, seems underused.

      My only point is that rest and anti-inflammatories isn't a bad suggestion. I'm not talking to people who have been suffering for years, which is unfortunately a whole other world. I'm speaking to this specific thread - your wrist hurts and you see a doctor who tells you to rest and take ibuprofen - that's seems like good advice.
      All good

      I think what we need is the best of both/all worlds.
      Certain things some part is better than the other.

      I guess I'm also in a circle where I hear of many sad stories - delayed treatment as the trust on science was just too great (at first).

      I think it is very important to understand the cause of the "hurt".

      Resting and drugs is not always the Solution, but yes, a lot of time the body should just shut down and recover.
      So if after 1 to 2 weeks of resting and drugs, and no progress to the wrist, then you must move onto something else. And no, not more powerful drugs

      Another thing is I find it that doctors prescribe strong drugs way too earlier in the treatment procedure (referring to in general). And at times I think they are not even certain if what they are prescribing will help. Its kind of a "test it out" and see solution

      I'm no specialist on wrist, but I would suggest to have 2 or 3 different opinions and not just rely on 1
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      I've lived in (modest) pain for most of my life as I trained athletics from a fairly young age until I was in mid 20ies fairly seriously (and have continued with mid / long distance running up until a couple of years back). My take on this is that anti-inflammatories / NSAIDs can be ok if they're really short term but can be disastrous if the usage is long term. Regular boring physiotherapy (rubber bands, stretching, weight training etc) is amazing if you give it time. Acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine can be really effective. What I stay clear of is naprapathy (and anything similar) as I've had quite poor results and I don't feel that it's based on science.

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      Came back to the doc, it was an articulate muscular fatigue, because the repetitive movement of my work, and the bad force carrying the stove, again more analgesic, this time keto cream, and use an orthopedic glove to inmovilize the hand. That's all, Thanks all for your good advices and share your experiences.

      Btw, I think the pain it exists for something, the body is warning something is going on wrong way, so I don't take pills, or analgesic, because I can live with it, and while I'm recovering I'm realizing that's happening in fact, of course I won't criticize the one who takes it. I prefer use poultice, or herbs, either marijuana.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis
      tell that to the ones who been taking pain killers and anti inflammatory for years
      i'm afraid modern medicine in a way is still too young and new.
      Most of the time, the doctors are just gloried pharmacist. They rely on drugs to heal, but some times it is physical problem.

      My father is a doctor in Chinese medicine and acupuncture. Luckily in his line, it is recognized by the WHO, so maybe I can say Science does back him.
      never the less, the surgeon said a patients leg need to be amputated as there is no ways to save it (bad circulation and constant bruising. The guy is still walking normally thanks to acupuncture. Science would had made him 1 leg short
      As much as I like and have met Opinari, I gotta agree with Tony on this one.

      I did 30 years in a profession where medical in charge handed out Ibuprofen (the anti-inflammatory) like kids candy, and also handed out opioids for toothaches or if someone complained enough. Running 6 miles a day pounding the joints up and down in slow motion kills everyone... so they suck on the Motrin candy all day... and it wrecks them bad. I would advise to avoid Motrin and the like. Better to eat an apple and juice some lemons and garden greens for the joints to go with the bacon, onion, and eggs breakfast.

      I gotta add that the docs are not glorified Pharmacists (but yeah, a lot get payouts for prescribing this or that... and yeah brainwashed as a whole to prescribe meds instead of understand nutrition and the body's ability to recuperate) but that many industries are working to create and maintain the drugs fix issues thing... and these industries make and keep peoples conditions to go for the meds. Prolonged use of the meds bring about problems to get them to prescribe moar meds. Statins are a loud example.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Der_Echte View Post
      As much as I like and have met Opinari, I gotta agree with Tony on this one.

      I did 30 years in a profession where medical in charge handed out Ibuprofen (the anti-inflammatory) like kids candy, and also handed out opioids for toothaches or if someone complained enough. Running 6 miles a day pounding the joints up and down in slow motion kills everyone... so they suck on the Motrin candy all day... and it wrecks them bad. I would advise to avoid Motrin and the like. Better to eat an apple and juice some lemons and garden greens for the joints to go with the bacon, onion, and eggs breakfast.

      I gotta add that the docs are not glorified Pharmacists (but yeah, a lot get payouts for prescribing this or that... and yeah brainwashed as a whole to prescribe meds instead of understand nutrition and the body's ability to recuperate) but that many industries are working to create and maintain the drugs fix issues thing... and these industries make and keep peoples conditions to go for the meds. Prolonged use of the meds bring about problems to get them to prescribe moar meds. Statins are a loud example.
      Ny father would ask new patients - what conditions do you have. heart, cholesterol, diabetes etc
      And the patients will say - everything is fine and normal
      So my father turns to the medical form and sees all the drugs the new patient is taking (and is required to take for life)

      People are used to drugs for severe disease as norms nowadays.

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