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Bernadette Szocs playing with the NEW PINK RUBBER!
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Looks good on HER.
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If new dyes do not effect the usage of rubber, even rainbow rubbers could be used.
Personalization/customization is the key event of the century. No need to be "bigoted" about it.
(Hell, colours were already in use before, don't act like it is against the spirit of the game).
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If new dyes do not effect the usage of rubber, even rainbow rubbers could be used.
Personalization/customization is the key event of the century. No need to be "bigoted" about it.
(Hell, colours were already in use before, don't act like it is against the spirit of the game).
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Curious about the new rule. I play single sided penhold with black painted (non playing) backside. Is there any specifics about a "playing" surface being black rubber, or just 1 side black color is enough? Ie can I use only 1 sheet of pink?
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Colours were banned before, beacuse of non-distinguishable rubbers.
I belive ITTF would keep 1 side black rule as is, and for other side it would only be one additional rule, it should be distinguishable from black side (not really dark colours etc.).
So 1 black side would be enough and yes, I belive you can only use 1 pink sheet (or any other authorized colour).
(Btw. it is going to be submitted for approval in 2020.)
I belive ITTF would keep 1 side black rule as is, and for other side it would only be one additional rule, it should be distinguishable from black side (not really dark colours etc.).
So 1 black side would be enough and yes, I belive you can only use 1 pink sheet (or any other authorized colour).
(Btw. it is going to be submitted for approval in 2020.)
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Yes, that’s more or less the gist of it.
And I think it silly that you’re still not allowed to use the very same rubber on both wings. Discernability is no excuse there.
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I am also curious how different dying colors will affect the rubber characteristics like what is with red n black.
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It is an excuse. People can age one rubber and keep another new and create discernability problems as you describe them.
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I believe it can create the problem not by using the same rubber on both sides but 2 different rubbers with same colour.
It did create the problem before.
I am not old eneough to remember why colours were forbidden before however according to readings I have done, at first players claims that it created problems during the game (especially for understanind the spin on serves).
So, in order to not have the same problems, I belive ITTF would not allow the same (or similar) colours on both sides.
However I have always gained benefits of using bouncier red rubber on backhand so using same rubber would not be better for my style.
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Not buying that argument. At least, it does not outweigh the detrimental effect of not being able to use the same rubber on both wings.
As yogi remarked, effect of dye on playing characteristics might matter. I’ve witnessed this in some rubbers. Red Sriver and black Sriver are slightly different. I could grudgingly accept that. For most it’s like that… but some rubbers, no. Chinese manufacturers even offer some sponge types with black or red topsheets only. Why wouldn’t I be allowed, reasonably, to slap these on both sides?
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You don't have to buy it, but I have seen it myself in action and of course, I trust my knowledge of this issue. It is better to have distinctly different colors on each side so that even if someone changes the playing characteristics of the surface, you can learn that surface by knowing its distinct color. If the colors are the same, there is room for shenanigans.
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Btw, I know the background of the ‘two colour’ rule.
I was around when the sub-top player John Hilton surprised the entire field by playing the (then new) super anti together with tackiness d (iirc), both in black. Twiddling merrily, grunting and stomping feet at ball impact.
There’s footage of that, in which the truly great champion Jacques Sécretin looks like a bumbling fool. Watching it makes me cringe, still, even now.
Even before the rule change, the players had adapted, reading the spin from the flight and kick of the ball, and Hilton never got to repeat his little stunt. I know, he played at my club shortly after his surprise European championship.
Either way, Hilton did have different claddings. The rule really ought to have applied to such setups only, and I’ve lamented that negative side effect for a long time. It forced me to give up on my Friendship 729 back then - which was available in neither black nor red. That contributed (in a minor way, I concur) to a negative period that turned me from the game for 30 years. BEEF! In TT, the small stuff is sweated…
I was around when the sub-top player John Hilton surprised the entire field by playing the (then new) super anti together with tackiness d (iirc), both in black. Twiddling merrily, grunting and stomping feet at ball impact.
There’s footage of that, in which the truly great champion Jacques Sécretin looks like a bumbling fool. Watching it makes me cringe, still, even now.
Even before the rule change, the players had adapted, reading the spin from the flight and kick of the ball, and Hilton never got to repeat his little stunt. I know, he played at my club shortly after his surprise European championship.
Either way, Hilton did have different claddings. The rule really ought to have applied to such setups only, and I’ve lamented that negative side effect for a long time. It forced me to give up on my Friendship 729 back then - which was available in neither black nor red. That contributed (in a minor way, I concur) to a negative period that turned me from the game for 30 years. BEEF! In TT, the small stuff is sweated…
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Looked pretty good, I just wish she wasn't also wearing primarily pink.
But i suppose the same problem happens with red and black currently.
Really, the rules should be: you can you whatever colour rubbers you want as long as they are clearly both distinguishable from each other, the table, your clothing, and the ball.
Basically don't be an asshole and try to gain an advantage from rubber colours, otherwise whatever.
But i suppose the same problem happens with red and black currently.
Really, the rules should be: you can you whatever colour rubbers you want as long as they are clearly both distinguishable from each other, the table, your clothing, and the ball.
Basically don't be an asshole and try to gain an advantage from rubber colours, otherwise whatever.
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Course she was the first to go with the pink rubbers 
. I think it adds to the sport and does not effect the game too much.
. I think it adds to the sport and does not effect the game too much.
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That WAS the rule. But antispin and pips players then argued that dark purple and black were distinguishable enough, so the rule was again sharpened to black and red only.
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Yes, resemblance is there. And would make sense to promote this rubber which is only available in Asia, just like when Samsonov played Hybrid in T2APAC last time.
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And thus the clarification:
I think ITTF/tournament organisers just need to grow some balls and say, actually, that doesn't qualify as clearly distinguishable enough, sorry.
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DHS has already been "abusing" black rubber to their advantage with the National Hurricane for years
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Completely agreed, it's unfortunate that certain manufacturers produce rubbers only in one color, but at least in the U.S., I've played folks who have purposely let one sheet slide to anti and have the same rubber on the other side remain grippy to great effect.
It would be really tough to play those folks if they could keep the same color and twiddle.
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