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And, again, for anyone who confuses why I posted the videos of multiball, it was not for the technique the pros are using. I do not recommend a beginner copy the form of a pro on anything. I do not recommend someone trying to learn to try and copy Ma Long's stroke or Ma Lin's stroke, or Zhang Jike's stroke, or Timo Boll's stroke. Those guys have trained for most of their life to develop the technique they have.
The purpose of the videos was for how the multiball feeder is feeding the backspin ball. NOT WHAT THE PROS ARE SO ADEPT AT DOING.
If you want to find footage of a low level player doing a drill to work on looping backspin, I think that would be a great idea. The videos were for the drill, the pace of the feed, the idea that the ball placement is not something like a 2 point drill or a 3 point drill, the drill is not fast, the drill allows the player to adjust to the placement of each separate ball, and causes the player to move his feet to each separate ball.
The multiball drills that were posted by me were to see drills that could be used for working on developing the skill of looping vs backspin. NOT FOR THE TECHNIQUE OR TIMING OF THE PROS.
And I do take NextLevel's point that we have no idea what the OP plays like and if he actually has strokes or just puts his racket out. But I have seen coaches use drills like that with players who are playing for a very short time and get them to understand the feel of looping against a backspin ball. When you do that, when you drill that, when you work on it, you get to feel how to do it.
I think this is a great explanation of the process:
All the feed of the multiball would be for is to get the player to be doing what NextLevel is describing: For them to feel how to follow the shape of the ball with the stroke as the practice. At the beginner level, to a large extend it does not matter so much if the ball goes on the table as long as the beginner starts to feel how to touch, caress and SPIN the ball. To do that you need to practice many many repetitions. That is why I showed video that shows how the ball feed could look.
But probably it would still be slower with more time for reset. The point was, it would not be like this version of multiball:
That is a 3 point drill and since, it was also said that a 3 point multiball drill could be used, and that was said in the context of a 3 point drill being one of the most physically taxing drills in all of sports, I wanted it to be clear, that, to work on looping backspin with multiball, it should not be at a pace like that.
You should have time for each ball so you get a quality stroke for each ball.
If your skill at looping backspin is more solid, the drills can be more complicated. First you need simple. And while those pros and how they attack backspin is much more advanced, they still are training the skill with a fairly simple feed, not with something fancy or complex like a 3 point drill.
The feed for multiball for someone learning the skill of looping backspin should be sort of slow, enough time to reset and be ready for each ball so you get a quality shot on each ball. But I am not saying that a person should loop like Ma Long. Even Ryu Seung Min does not loop like Ma Long. And Ma Long does not loop like Ryu Seung Min either. A person should develop his own technique through practice. Not by imitating how the pros do it. Trying to do that can get anyone in trouble.
The purpose of the videos was for how the multiball feeder is feeding the backspin ball. NOT WHAT THE PROS ARE SO ADEPT AT DOING.
If you want to find footage of a low level player doing a drill to work on looping backspin, I think that would be a great idea. The videos were for the drill, the pace of the feed, the idea that the ball placement is not something like a 2 point drill or a 3 point drill, the drill is not fast, the drill allows the player to adjust to the placement of each separate ball, and causes the player to move his feet to each separate ball.
The multiball drills that were posted by me were to see drills that could be used for working on developing the skill of looping vs backspin. NOT FOR THE TECHNIQUE OR TIMING OF THE PROS.
And I do take NextLevel's point that we have no idea what the OP plays like and if he actually has strokes or just puts his racket out. But I have seen coaches use drills like that with players who are playing for a very short time and get them to understand the feel of looping against a backspin ball. When you do that, when you drill that, when you work on it, you get to feel how to do it.
I think this is a great explanation of the process:
Looping backspin consistently is a process. It can take a long time but you have to stick with it. Looping backspin is a test of your ability to spin the ball. Very often, people who can't loop backspin consistently are trying to hit the ball, as opposed to spinning or turning the ball. You have to follow the shape of the ball with your stroke when looping backspin if you want to be consistent.
All the feed of the multiball would be for is to get the player to be doing what NextLevel is describing: For them to feel how to follow the shape of the ball with the stroke as the practice. At the beginner level, to a large extend it does not matter so much if the ball goes on the table as long as the beginner starts to feel how to touch, caress and SPIN the ball. To do that you need to practice many many repetitions. That is why I showed video that shows how the ball feed could look.
But probably it would still be slower with more time for reset. The point was, it would not be like this version of multiball:
That is a 3 point drill and since, it was also said that a 3 point multiball drill could be used, and that was said in the context of a 3 point drill being one of the most physically taxing drills in all of sports, I wanted it to be clear, that, to work on looping backspin with multiball, it should not be at a pace like that.
You should have time for each ball so you get a quality stroke for each ball.
If your skill at looping backspin is more solid, the drills can be more complicated. First you need simple. And while those pros and how they attack backspin is much more advanced, they still are training the skill with a fairly simple feed, not with something fancy or complex like a 3 point drill.
The feed for multiball for someone learning the skill of looping backspin should be sort of slow, enough time to reset and be ready for each ball so you get a quality shot on each ball. But I am not saying that a person should loop like Ma Long. Even Ryu Seung Min does not loop like Ma Long. And Ma Long does not loop like Ryu Seung Min either. A person should develop his own technique through practice. Not by imitating how the pros do it. Trying to do that can get anyone in trouble.
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